The pace of striking coins for circulation at the United States Mint slowed for the second consecutive month in July, but it still exceeded the billion mark for the seventh month in a row.
In the past month, the U.S. Mint struck nearly 1.14 billion coins encompassing cents, nickels, dimes, quarters, and half dollars, marking a 12.2% decrease from June but a 3.5% increase from July 2022.
Here’s how the month ranks against others in the past year:
July 2022 to July 2023 Circulating Coin Production
| Month | Mintages | Rank |
|---|---|---|
| July 2023 | 1,139.30 M | 7 |
| June 2023 | 1,297.18 M | 2 |
| May 2023 | 1,417.78 M | 1 |
| April 2023 | 1,250.32 M | 3 |
| March 2023 | 1,187.94 M | 5 |
| February 2023 | 1,054.16 M | 9 |
| January 2023 | 1,200.46 M | 4 |
| December 2022 | 846.50 M | 13 |
| November 2022 | 906.00 M | 12 |
| October 2022 | 1,177.14 M | 6 |
| September 2022 | 1,003.72 M | 10 |
| August 2022 | 948.06 M | 11 |
| July 2022 | 1,100.62 M | 8 |
Fewer Pennies
The main mission of the U.S. Mint is to manufacture coins in response to public demand. The Mint produces, sells and then delivers circulating coins to Federal Reserve Banks to support their service to commercial banks and other financial institutions.
Even though it costs the Mint 2.72 cents to make and distribute each 1-cent coin, the Federal Reserve always orders more of them than any other denomination.
In July, the Mint struck 457.6 million Lincoln cents, which accounted for 40.2% of the circulating-quality coins made for the month. This continues a trend that began in May 2022, when the percentage of cents produced in a given month fell below 50%. Historically, before then, more than half of the coins produced in a given month were cents. For instance, in January of last year, 59.8% of the circulating coins minted were cents, which contrasts with the current situation.
Month-Over-Month
In month-over-month comparisons for coins used daily by Americans, production totals in July declined by:
- 7.3% for Lincoln cents,
- 6.8% for Jefferson nickels,
- 20.7% for Roosevelt dimes, and
- 14.1% for quarters.
Mintages of Native American Dollars and Kennedy Halves
In addition to cents, nickels, dimes, and quarters, the U.S. Mint also produces dollars and half dollars in circulating quality. While the Federal Reserve no longer orders Native American $1 coins, they are still minted in circulating quality for coin collectors. This was also true for Kennedy half dollars until recently, specifically in 2021 and 2022.
Typically, in January, the U.S. Mint produces both denominations in the expected amounts needed for the entire year. However, this remains the case only for Native American dollars, as Kennedy halves saw their mintages increase in multiple months in 2021, 2022, and 2023.
In the past two fiscal years (2021 and 2022), the Federal Reserve unexpectedly ordered millions more Kennedy half dollars for circulation, with amounts of about 12 million and 7 million, respectively. It’s likely that Kennedy half dollars have been produced for general circulation in 2023 as well, with the total struck increasing by 3.2 million in July, 1.7 million in May, 2.5 million in April, 2.2 million in March, and 4.4 million in January. As of now, the combined total of halves is 14 million, with a mix of 5.4 million from Denver and 8.6 million from Philadelphia. This is in comparison to the 2022 production runs, which totaled 4.9 million from Denver and 4.8 million from Philadelphia, for a total of 9.7 million coins.
The mintages of Native American dollars have remained unchanged since January, with splits of 1.12 million from the Denver Mint and 1.12 million from the Philadelphia Mint, for a combined total of 2.24 million coins. In contrast, the 2022 dollar recorded equal splits of 980,000 from each facility, for a total of 1.96 million coins.
On Feb. 6, U.S. Mint started selling rolls, bags and boxes of 2023 Native American dollars. On May 15, the bureau started offering collectors rolls and bags of circulating 2023 Kennedy halves.
This next table shows a summary of all the circulating-quality coins produced last month:
U.S. Mint Circulating Coin Production in July 2023
| Denver | Philadelphia | Total | |
|---|---|---|---|
| Lincoln Cent | 228,800,000 | 228,800,000 | 457,600,000 |
| Jefferson Nickel | 73,680,000 | 73,200,000 | 146,880,000 |
| Roosevelt Dime | 134,000,000 | 143,020,000 | 277,020,000 |
| Quarters | 125,400,000 | 129,200,000 | 254,600,000 |
| Kennedy Half-Dollar | 0 | 3,200,000 | 3,200,000 |
| Native American $1 Coin | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Total | 561,880,000 | 577,420,000 | 1,139,300,000 |
Regarding overall production totals for July, the Denver Mint struck 561.88 million coins, while the Philadelphia Mint made 577.42 million coins, resulting in a combined production of 1,139,300,000 coins.
YTD Totals
Year to date, the Denver Mint has struck 4,357,680,000 coins, and the Philadelphia Mint has made 4,189,460,000 coins, for a total production of 8,547,140,000 coins. This figure is 2.2% lower than the 8,738,960,000 coins manufactured during the same time in 2022.
If the current production pace were to continue through December, the annual mintage for 2023 would exceed 14.6 billion coins. In comparison, the U.S. Mint produced over 13.6 billion coins for circulation in 2022.
This next table lists coin production totals by denomination and by U.S. Mint facility:
YTD 2023 Circulating Coin Production by Denomination
| 1 ¢ | 5 ¢ | 10 ¢ | 25 ¢ | 50 ¢ | N.A. $1 | Total: | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Denver | 1685.2M | 549.36M | 1155M | 961.6M | 5.4M | 1.12M | 4357.68M |
| Philadelphia | 1588M | 515.52M | 1113.02M | 963.2M | 8.6M | 1.12M | 4189.46M |
| Total | 3273.2M | 1064.88M | 2268.02M | 1924.8M | 14M | 2.24M | 8547.14M |
2023 Quarter Mintages
In addition to the 2023 Native American dollar with its one-year-only design, the U.S. Mint through July released the first three of five issues for 2023 from their four-year program of American Women Quarters™. These three quarters represent the sixth, seventh, and eighth overall in the series, and each one features a unique design.
The Bessie Coleman quarter, the first quarter design for this year, began circulating on Jan. 3. On February 14, the Mint made rolls and bags of the quarter available for purchase by the public.
The Edith Kanakaʻole quarter, this year’s second 25-cent design, started circulating on March 27 and is also available in Mint rolls and bags.
Lastly, the Eleanor Roosevelt quarter launched on June 6. Official mintages for it have yet to be reported. However, as of year-to-date, out of the total coin production, 564.2 million quarters have not yet been officially assigned a design by the U.S. Mint. These quarters are likely Roosevelt quarters, and the finalized figure is expected to be announced soon.
This last table offers a breakdown of this year’s mintages that have been reported by coin design, including the first two quarters:
Published 2023 Circulating Coin Production by Design
| Denver | Philadelphia | Total | |
|---|---|---|---|
| Lincoln Cent | 1,685,200,000 | 1,588,000,000 | 3,273,200,000 |
| Jefferson Nickel | 549,360,000 | 515,520,000 | 1,064,880,000 |
| Roosevelt Dime | 1,155,000,000 | 1,113,020,000 | 2,268,020,000 |
| Bessie Coleman Quarter | 317,200,000 | 302,000,000 | 619,200,000 |
| Edith Kanaka’Ole Quarter | 368,600,000 | 372,800,000 | 741,400,000 |
| Eleanor Roosevelt Quarter | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Jovita Idar Quarter (expected release on Aug. 15) | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Maria Tallchief Quarter (expected release on Oct. 23) | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Kennedy Half-Dollar | 5,400,000 | 8,600,000 | 14,000,000 |
| Native American $1 Coin | 1,120,000 | 1,120,000 | 2,240,000 |
| Total | 4,081,880,000 | 3,901,060,000 | 7,982,940,000 |
As a side note, the 2023 Jovita Idar quarter started entering circulation on Aug. 14, with rolls and bags of them launching on Aug. 15.
Keep those presses running. Punch out a ton of half dollars and send to Ukraine. Lord knows jfk is russia favorite president, well minus Reagan maybe. Start putting them on the eyes of the dead Russian soldiers to pay the ferryman. That way poot king can tell who is funding his overthrow. I bet to save on shipping, we’ll fill those many pockets on the uniforms of our soldiers and send em over there. Over there send the coins send the coins over there.
There is no there there. Only they’re there
I subscribed to the silver proof set, and it is 4 days before the scheduled release. The order is already being ‘processed’ and under subscription, the date of release now says TBD, referring to 2024. I thought the deadline was 3 days, but maybe they don’t count weekends. In this day and age that seems to be a moot point. I wasn’t going to suspend the subscription, but simply making a comment on the process
Tom,
Don’t worry. With a product limit of 260,020 sets, the 2023 silver Proof set will not sell out this year IMHO. Especially at the $25 higher price of $130 each over last year’s set price of $105. Also, the 2022 silver Proof set is still available from the Mint & they raised its price too!
NumisdudeTX
Major D,
Such a deal! I can’t wait to waste $220… Lol.
NumisdudeTX
Maybe they took play out mike muzak book and put it in their exclusive label
It’s the high cost of making penny that makes the set so high. But still cheaper than the 2 coin morgan peace rp. Does the morgan and peace come in the limited set
I got the set last year I think solely because I missed the fact S was only through subscription. So figure, 1st year, rare S, and 1st George Washington bust change. But not gonna do it after that. I think I see 3 more release the rest of the year I would get. I don’t think they count weekends and holidays. Despite me getting emails and notices and shipping info on weekends sometimes. So no telling.
Know your audience. Seems like the mint is becoming the bud light of coin collecting. To make up for lost sales crank up the price and let the true fans suffer the pain. Kinda like iPhone. Worth $500 but still sell for $1300 and rarely on sale.
D and C,
$1300 might seem high for an iPhone vs $500, but that’s only because our beloved government has made $1300 the equivalent of $500 through fiscal responsibility and being conservative when rendering spending propositions. The dollar is quickly morphing into the peso which is timely since soooo many folks from that region are moving here! We certainly don’t want to make them uncomfortable with new currencies, do we?
Argentina and venezuela suffered quick decline. America will catch up. And iPhone expensive based on fake value. Meaning if they sold it for $500 nobody would buy it, but since it is only worth $500 but asking $1300, everyone must have it.
Are you saying that people living in this country are just stupid? I couldn’t agree more.
Amazing. A country of 50 states (though less from the early years) has more income than a single small country. And America was fresh and full of resources. The eastern world was stripped and robbed over millenia in some cases. Western world didn’t have wheel or even domesticated animals for farming like oxen and horses. Can you post a link showing how America helps earth beat other planets in gdp.
I never was part of that club. I started with just bullion. Then out of respect I tried to rekindle relationship from my childhood, but have found some things can’t be replaced and unfortunately, he’s not here to guide me and answer my questions. But that was why I started getting from mint, figure cheaper than buying in aftermarket (get from source) and I didn’t and still don’t know which older coins to seek. I bought first roll of quarters at Bank today, so important i left the roll in door of the car. But the markup and the recent… Read more »
good job. Glad somebody there was on the job. I hem and hawed, probably won’t order the set again since next year the price increase will probably go up again. but I have all the sets since State quarters started in 1999 and it is kind of hard to stop a collection like that.
That’s why I come her to see what makes the needles move on coins and metals. Sure I can go to any other site and get political opinion, but they don’t know squat how it impacts coins and metals. Granted reading comments of almost every redit post, Yahoo comment, AP articles and Reuters it is obvious that after every even, there are so many experts in the field. Soon all the flood experts will post how their genius idea could have prevented floods in Southern California. All the professional fire fighters that could control the Canada or Maui fires in… Read more »
Kaiser Emeritus,
For all my observations about Mint quality and pricing, I do want (whomever-supervisor) to know that the agents I’ve dealt with have always been helpful and friendly. No complaints. Still miffed about not being able to order a 2021 Morgan CC. But, agents, no complaints. Gratitude. Okay back to regular programming…
Bring the old washington back!
Bring the half cent back!
Get rid of tight end and half back, full back, way back, throw back and out back and just have the black running quarter bac (whatever, the only white running qb you can name is Steve Young… mahomes don’t count as he’s mixed and history shows all mixed denounce their white parent), 1 center a left and right guard and the rest wide receivers. Give the defense an extra player but make him count 5 Mississippi before they can blitz. Nope. We need equality. Make him a girl and change count to 3 Mississippi. Kidding. Just open up football teams… Read more »
Who’s on first?
I agree. Let’s clone him and bring him back. Wonder if he’d have a British accent
half a billion lincoln cents. in one month. and i’ll bet 95% of them will be used exactly once, destined to sit in a drawer or cup or jar forever, or maybe thrown into the garbage. and the government loses 250% making each one. so here’s a thought – just make $5 and maybe even $10 circulating coins, put a little bit of silver in them (maybe 10% of value or so) and put them out for circulation (plus the expected collectible versions of course). the mint will make a fortune off of those things even if they just sit… Read more »
The ghost of Abe Lincoln shall forever walk the halls
Kaiser W- The only way to remove the cent from circulation is, as you already know, dependent on Congressional action. Not only will literally take “an act of Congress”, but the removal of the $1 bill. The American public dislikes the idea of removing the cent and paper dollar; Congress-critters know this, so won’t vote to do anything to change the status quo. Britain had to demonetize their pound notes in order to force their public into using pound coins. As long as the US Mint makes more than they lose on seigniorage, don’t hold your breath waiting for this… Read more »
At least once or twice over the last hundred years or so the mint had tested the use of plastics for circulating coins. They never got much further then some experimental pieces but what a great use now for all of those unrecycled water bottles going to the dump. Since the cent never gets used more then once or twice, the sock drawer and coffee can become the new city landfill. The mint could also put a hole in them and make them in different colors for the kids to make a new fashion statement bracelet with them? Any thought?… Read more »
Christo-
If understand correctly, one of the reasons the Mint did not continue the “plastic penny” was cost. Plastic coins cost just about as much to make and did not last as long.
I will say that the coated zinc cents make pretty good .22 rifle targets at 15 yards, if you paint them white for visibility. Hard to beat the price!
Analog to digital was so it was harder to hack military and at the same time digitalize citizen version so that they can record and monitor everything you do. And people are so dumb and lazy they automate everything, and accept eula agreement and peoudly claim they’ll never be chipped or tracked, but yet spend thousands to buy the stuff to be spied on with. May as well be chipped. Soon no choice. Prepare for judge dread society, or hunger games, but since space is popular again I’d bet on elysium or the 100
Major D, That’s because he was “Dick” Peterson & he didn’t know proper, scientific, numismatic nomenclature. It’s sad that many young collectors, or beginning collectors probably don’t know that the U.S. Mint has never struck a penny coin. I wrote to him at the time & advised him to take “penny” off the Mint’s COAs & coin set boxes with the Lincoln cent photo with the word “Penny” by it & of course he didn’t respond. The new Mint Director Madame Ventris C, Gibson obviously doesn’t know the difference either, but she is selling “Kids Sets” that are geared towards… Read more »
I’ll give a penny for your thoughts, because I don’t want your 2 cents
Major D, Ryder obviously didn’t understand or care about the law. The Coinage Act of April 2 1792 specifically states “Cents” as 1/100th of a dollar & NOT “penny” or “pennies”. That law still stands today, as amended. Also, the U.S. Mint Historian (a full-time position at the Philadelphia Mint) has it posted on the Mint’s website as the law that created the U.S. Mint & our monetary system & its very specific details & nomenclature. If you wish to use street language or slang, that is your prerogative of course, but it is not scientific or factual or proper… Read more »
Magic Mike calls them pennies, and we all know he never says anything that isn’t spot on true! I’ve called them pennies all my life which may be attributed to the fact that my descendants came from Britain, and that’s what my parents called them. And besides, if we have to call a man a woman or a woman a man just because he/she/it has ‘transgendered’, then why are we having a fit over what we call the cent, or its ‘transgendered’ form, the penny!
Craig,
You just explained in part the reason why only “cent” is proper numismatic terminology in the USA. Some other countries have in the past or now do have penny coins. It’s best not to confuse the two. Every science has to have some rules.
NumisdudeTX
It’s the bud light of coins. But if you line up all the coins. You’ll notice they all turn their back to Lincoln.
It is a cent because it is 1 of 100. A per cent of 100. Where nickel and dime came from, no idea. As quarter makes sense, half dollar makes sense. Which are 25 cent and 50 cent. Deci is 10 so dime doesn’t work. Always heard Indian head nickel, not Indian head cent, value wise it was worth 5 cents. Roosevelt dime, mercury dime, V nickel. Not cent. So penny is name, cent is value. Nickel is name, cent is value. But oddly names change. Penny, nickel, dime, quarter, half dollar, dollar (no distinction between paper or metal dollar)… Read more »
Make it like pieces of 8. Make a 10 cent coin you can break into 10 separate pieces. Each one represents a cent. Break in half. 5 cent. And after broken can still be spent.
You can find him in the club
Never heard cent for your thought, only penny for your thought
‘penny for your thought’ is an old saying (at least 500 years old), and it originated in england at a time when a penny could actually buy a reasonable amount of stuff, meaning those thoughts were thus considered valuable to hear for a whole penny.
that’s just my 2 cents worth at least… 🙂
Thanks for the info. Learn something new all the time
https://www.yahoo.com/news/asylum-seekers-nyc-america-migrants-crisis-chaos-090039003.html
In case you didn’t read it. Or it didn’t register. $10 million per day for 3,000 people. That’s $3,333.33 a day per illegal. That’s just shy of 100% disability pay for a veteran per month. Let that sink in.
But here we complain about over printing pennies at 2.5 cent each.
Major D,
I live in Texas, and many of us want Governor Greg Abbott bused to NYC on a 1-way ticket! Lol.
NumisdudeTX
well, this is a coin web site so yeah we complain about the coins much more than whatever the government is or is not doing outside the mint
Now there is a comment showing some “common cents”.
To stay relevant. Ok. Then explain why the 2022 peace and Morgan’s not made. Why no commemorative coun this year. Oh right. Because of what the government is doing outside the mint. The politics making it hard to secure silver. The trade deals and embargoes and sanctions making it harder and more expensive to get the metals. Causing these ridiculous increases in coin prices. Congress not authorizing new coins, too busy prosecuting each other to worry about money. Mint falls under department of the treasury. But yelled says inflation will be trafficking, I mean transitory. I mean deported. What difference… Read more »
D and C,
Unfortunately some people prefer to stick their heads in the sand and focus only on that small, insignificant thing that makes them happy. I prefer to think outside the box, or the Mint, and take in everything. Personally, I enjoy reading your posts and say keep on posting and if someone doesn’t like it, they can just NOT READ IT! It’s still America and we still have the right to express ourselves…I’m pretty sure we do. Lol.
Hi Craig, Thanks for sharing your opinion. I value diversity and everyone deserves a voice. I am sure Dazed and Coinfused will appreciate the support. I also said in a previous post a day or two ago to Dazed and Coinfused that if anyone doesn’t like the lengths of his posts (or mine, and said the same above), they do not have to read them. Applies to subject too, as you just said. We all make those choices continuously. Forms our identities. What we agree with, disagree with, or ignore. I see the one I responded to with Dazed and… Read more »
Spoke to soon. I went to copy my other post and the body is not visible anymore, only the awaiting approval message. It was a really good post I thought. I would never be able to re-create it.
Perhaps it disappeared because I “posted” the comment to Craig below it? Or I only had a short time to copy it? I am not sure. I wish CoinNews would send me an email with my original post and specific reasons for rejection (is it a word I used? a subject?. I can edit around a word, a subject is tougher), if it ends up rejected. Hard to not trigger the approval process here if you do not know what the triggers are. If I had only a sentence or two I might be able to figure it out on… Read more »
I still have the original tab open, 4 hours later. No change. I will leave it open perhaps even overnight, since it is possible for all I know that a human will still review it but not until they get back to work the next morning. I assumed after the bot flagged it a human reviewed it later, but perhaps there is no second review and :spam was the final decision (But it also still says “Awaiting for approval”. I kind of feel insulted. Dazed and Coinfused comment was fine but my reply to his comments is considered spam? Ouch.… Read more »
Well since the bots read the internet and generate responses in AI, once the crime statistics are noted and compiled, suddenly the radical deemed the bots racist. Hilarious.
Hi Dazed and Coinfused, Did you ever hear the phrase “garbage in, garbage out? I grew up in a wealthy area. I recall quite well many of my “peers” who got in trouble with the law but due to their parents influence their troubles just went away. There is some missing data in crime statistics, I am sure. Really sure. How many lower social class people had their troubles just disappear like that? Not to mention the wealthy reducing but not managing to eliminate their troubles in other instances where as the full force of the law slams down on… Read more »
I got away with a couple things, sometimes they charge wrong, or improper date, or cop can’t recall in court. But I’ve also fell on other end of spectrum where I was innocent and found guilty and even appealed and found guilty. And some things I plea down to lesser charge. The system isn’t perfect, but it ain’t that far off either. I’m not saying the bots are racist, I’m saying that the data concluded results, it painted blacks in a bad light, so they cried racism. And I’ve had people of all colors and walks of life try to… Read more »
I like when you (me, or anyone) talk(s) about your (their) background here, so thank you for sharing. Some would never dare. I feel the more I learn, the more accurate of a picture I can get of someone’s personality and where they are coming from. This is how people come together rather than being driven apart. Talking to each other, rather than at each other. Learning empathy, and understanding different ways of living life are not necessarily wrong, just possibly wrong for you. Forcing your personal moral values on others is wrong in my strong opinion. Both political parties… Read more »
Well, believe it or not, I still have the other tab open around 25 hours later and it still says “Awaiting for approval: Spam“. I am not sure I believe it anymore, so I surrender, I am closing the tab. I suspect there is no human review now. The machines are in charge. It probably decided in milliseconds and its decision is final. I did copy/paste the two new long comments to Dazed and Coinfused I successfully posted below a few minutes ago, so at least I am learning. Someday I hope to share trigger words or subjects (even if… Read more »
Press f5 to refresh the page. If you just left it open it wouldn’t update. I find that after posting here and pressing back button, the comment count was what it was before I typed. Only after I click the page and it reopens does the count update. Or you press f5 and it changes. I’ve even been first to post, and scroll up to get info to make other comment and it shows 0 comment, but scrolling down shows the one I posted. F5, shows 1.
Yeah, I kind of already noticed the lack of update. I just open a new tab to see if posted or not. I did that for the comment I posted above. Thanks for the info, anyway. I noticed before when I would go look at the 3 latest comments on the main page, my new one wouldn’t show until I refreshed it. I did not want to refresh the page that still had the post waiting for approval this time (because it completely disappeared when I did it the first time), so above was the first time I opened another… Read more »
Don’t feel bad. I have been censored several times. Seems hit and miss, but no explanation of what violated what. It is tragic as the reply had a lot of useful knowledge and perspective. But unless you are Bruce Lee it is almost impossible to defend yourself if your hands are tied. But I can’t wait til those evil statues are gone, all the history books to show blacks were the heroes and super geniuses. Cuz then, the racism would have been erased and they can’t prove their point. Reparations. Reparations for what? Nothing happened. Show me in this text… Read more »
Statues aren’t evil, people are. There just never should have been so many put up in the first place. They were literal “losers”, and their cause was not just. I hope you do not feel slavery was not in conflict with our professed ideals. If we ever want to actually live up to our ideals put forth in our founding documents, slavery was one of the first things that had to go. Low hanging fruit, even. Not if you actually believe in the meaning behind the word “freedom”, anyway. Put me on the side of there are no benefits to… Read more »
I will have to reply in the morning. But I have a feeling I can’t properly explain without being censored again. But briefly, yeah there are things as necessary evils and still happens today. (Sending other people kids to fight your war, war by proxy) and in their opinion their hands are clean. Sadly the world is full of evil people and will so the dirty work. And if you are an atheist then whatever you do in this life shouldn’t matter as without God there is no heaven. But if there is a God, just because you don’t believe… Read more »
you will have to read my reply through the next several posts as it would not go through all at once.
Hahaha, I see it will take me a while.
You do know Dazed and Coinfused, that Justice is a completely man made idea. There is no Justice in the real world, the strongest will survive. The weak will perish or knuckle under to avoid being killed by the strong. That was until people started to band together and said “this is not fair! Enough! We can continue to live that old way, or we can strive for better, like our founding documents strived for (and early Christianity and probably many other religions. We have invented a million since the dawn of time, after all). Plenty of people believe that… Read more »
Leopards don’t change their spots. The frog and the scorpion. Sure justice is a man made concept. You don’t see bison plotting to kill lions while they are sleeping for killing one of their own. And life would be a reward. Personally I think if jury finds someone guilty of murder the family of the victim should decide the fate. Since that literally defines your justice system. Mayne they get lucky and kill a religious family that thinks the magic man in the sky will make it right. Or maybe they get an atheist or agnostic that wants to cover… Read more »
With regards to the statistics you posted. Your numbers seem correct and in line with what I saw a couple years ago. I never said results were proportional, I said more whites killed by cops than black and brown combined. And you confirmed it. Crime doesn’t happen proportionally. Race doesn’t dictate your likelihood to commit crime. Ok maybe, but I’m not even going to mention Neanderthal versus denosovian, versus other early modern man. Although the comparison would be more akin to results based on how some cats or felines are docile while others are predators, same for dogs, wild dogs,… Read more »
Broad strokes. Exactly. If the topic is of interest, I implore people to do their own research. I also typically show both sides of the coin. Why would I write 7 hours to narrow down religion point when libraries are full of the same thing and nobody might read it. Or they do and don’t comment so their is no banter or compromise or advancement. My posts are to make people think, use problem solving skills, and to provide information. My opinion is not dictatorial. I wouldn’t have gone after Galileo. But the church did. Can’t have free thinking people.… Read more »
“If the topic is of interest, I implore people to do their own research. I also typically show both sides of the coin.” I am guessing you know as well as I do, rarely does anyone do their own research. In my opinion, your research has been a bit lacking so far yourself, or you are purposely leaving things out to advance your own personal agenda (the shooting data comes to mind for me here. Did you already know of the part you left out?). If you really want people to do any research, start telling us where your info… Read more »
You are making my point for me, Dazed and Coinfused. I keep saying you paint with a broad brush. You left out important context that when added, rather changes the implications of your statement. What emotion other than anger do you expect you convey about police shootings to White people when you make it sound like Whites have it worse when dealing with the police than the complaining Blacks? If not anger, how about contempt? (another “positive” emotion ((sarcasm for those who might miss it))) You are not trying to get to the bottom of the problem, or even solve… Read more »
“Personally I think if jury finds someone guilty of murder the family of the victim should decide the fate. Since that literally defines your justice system. “—-Not correct. I prefer taking emotion out of decisions, especially life and death ones. Reason and Persuasion, not Emotion and Insults. You can keep telling me you are not angry, but then point out to me the optimistic or uplifting parts (or at least positive) parts of your posts. No possible solutions, either. I suggest possible solutions. Not saying they would necessarily work, but they at least are starting a constructive conversation. Thanks for Acknowledging… Read more »
Thank you for the hours of your time. I would suggest a speech to text like dragon. My dad pecks 1 key at a time so I know your struggle. However I type 80 words a minutes and at one time could knock out a 2,000 page essay in a couple hours with citations. People have long believed slaves built the pyramids. New research shows that most likely people came on their own because food wad plentiful and wages were fair. Up until the droughts. With regards to the Bible, Moses saying let my people go, implied slavery. So if true,… Read more »
But throughout history all races were slaves. Whether you call them endentured servant, slave, inmate, chain gang, POW, conscripted soldier, serf, trafficked human, or whatever sweet sounding name to sugar coat the harshness. But one thing still true today, money and greed are root of all evil. Now, I don’t doubt they were beat or starved or raped, rape happens all the time now just ask every woman bill Cosby ever met. I doubt the a actual owner did the beating, May have come back from the pub drunk and took on a female or two if the wife wasn’t in… Read more »
Whites as slaves. As before, the mention of POW etc, soldiers that surrendered to Rome was, no surprise, became POW. No cameras back then so no pics like you show, but writing tells of sickness and emaciated people. Naturally Roman’s would eat first and the captured or surrendered would get scraps or whatever else was left if anything. If vikings raided your town, you can bet the women raped and, like the Roman and Persian and most other ancient armies, they killed the men and children of the town, sometimes taking them as slaves. Just depended on how much work… Read more »
I think Escobar said it best, Plata o Plomo. Silver or lead. They demanded payment or reparations or they were prepared to take it out in blood. While Escobar was more of a threat versus a bipartisan negotiation, it is still applicable. Blacks feel slighted over one sided police killings. So they want free education and right to steal. Actually they want cops defended so they can use street justice and gang law to settle issues in their community. But if you look at actual numbers, whites were killed at a rate 4x higher than blacks and Hispanics combined. But don’t… Read more »
To say I would lead the charge is comical. I’m more a mediator or referee. . And I root for the underdog. As I said, I defended and stood up for them and helped them more than white people and all I learned is no matter what I did wasn’t enough, I was always the enemy. They were friends unless other black people were around. And after so many times turned on, forget em, they can fight their own battle. I feel that way about just about everyone. There are very few people I would help and the list grows shorter… Read more »
Statues. Are not evil. Flags are not evil. The ideas and the interpretation can be evil. The south left the union. It was legal. It was the will of the voters. They fought. They lost. And in order to reenter had to meet certain requirements. Lines redrawn so to speak. But it wasn’t treason. And thanks to the horrifying tactics used by Sherman it was also a point of order to ensure the US military could not be called to fight domestic issues or call army to attack citizens. State military (militia) can be used to assist in peace keeping. That’s why… Read more »
To remind you, they traded with European crowns. Not Americans. The ships bound for and from America flew the flags of Spain England and France and Italy. This was when the commoners were fleeing death or fighting in endless wars. When taxation without representation was the norm, not just taxes, but because they couldn’t decide what to import and export because the crowns’ enforcement team and financial backers wanted insurance. They also chose people over gold. Americans (after 1776) started almost immediately to end slavery. For Europe it was easier because now they needed ships for war vs each other and its hard fighting overseas. But also, small countries with… Read more »
America was actually behind. Starting to end slavery is not the same as ending it. England ended slavery in England in 1706 “In Smith v. Browne & Cooper, the Chief Justice ruled that “as soon as a Negro comes into England, he becomes free. One may be a villein in England, but not a slave.” (from Wikipedia). They made all slave trading a felony in 1811. Spain abolished the slave trade in 1820. France in 1815. Italy wasn’t very involved in the modern slave trade because it wasn’t Italy until around the time of our Civil War. The Pope started banning (Christian) slaves… Read more »
Well, look at this. My original post has gotten approved. I guess that means a human does actually review them eventually. I assume a human had to look at it. The approval email itself is machine generated (no_reply@coinnews.net, arrived 4 hours ago) but I do not think the machine could determine for itself that in the context I used the word that caused it to be flagged (since my variation the next day let it go through immediately), I was not trolling someone. I am guessing someone had to “release” it. That is an area that I think AI will… Read more »
Well Dazed and Coinfused, I got to answer all your replies except for the last one which starts with “To remind you, they traded with European crowns.” It is awaiting approval. At least I did copy it so maybe tomorrow if it doesn’t go through, I will experiment with variations to see if I can figure out what caused it. Maybe a link was the problem this time. Major D mentioned that, and I remembered he said it. I did not realize at the time, but I copied and pasted something from Wikipedia which had a link in it. The different… Read more »
Yesterdays rejected post, with a variance. See if it works this time. Word in an actual quote from 1706, changed slightly. Marked by a * below now. I am not a fan of sanitizing history. America was actually behind. Starting to end slavery is not the same as ending it. England ended slavery in England in 1706 “In Smith v. Browne & Cooper, the Chief Justice ruled that “as soon as a N-gro* comes into England, he becomes free. One may be a villein in England, but not a slave.” (from Wikipedia). They made all slave trading a felony in 1811. Spain abolished… Read more »
Yep, we took advantage of them because they did not understand the implications of what they did. We took a lot of their Gold and Diamonds too. And Ivory. More suffering, Non-Human suffering in that last case.
It was just my opinion. Like all opinions, doesn’t mean it was accurate. And formed remotely to boot. How well can I know you through the posts I have read so far? I think you have a good brain on you there, Dazed and Coinfused. I would probably enjoy talking to you face to face. And the others here would be spared from seeing ideas they are possibly uncomfortable with or feel do not belong here in the first place. I like to say we are Humans first, Coin Collectors second, though. But the anger, and the broad brush you… Read more »
Hmmm, Here is data I got from a World Atlas article from 2015: What is perhaps most alarming about these statistics, is that African Americans make up 26% of police shooting deaths and another 50% are White. At face value, these numbers do not seem to suggest a problem with racism in the police force. However, African Americans only make up about 12.6% of the American population, while White Americans make up 72.4%. This discrepancy means that police are 2.5 times more likely to shoot African Americans. In contrast, 17.4% of victims are Hispanic, which more accurately reflects their share… Read more »
It is not surprising reparations were never discussed in ancient times, as people understood far less of the greater world around them than they do now, and the People had no power in government. We get to vote and freely voice our opinions (like right now). They did not. Even today, how many times do you hear someone say “why change how we do this? It has always been done this way.” What do think would happen if I traveled back in time and planted the idea in peoples heads? Would we have the same world we do right now?… Read more »
To keep a system like that running smoothly, they have to stifle any sign of independence or disobedience, or risk having the whole system come crashing down. I doubt they hesitated as much as you think. Everyone always gets that saying about money wrong. It is “The love of money is the root of all evil”. Money was just another tool we created. In this case to facilitate trade. Just like knives, spears, arrows or guns are tools and not evil. It is the hand or brain operating or misusing the tool that is or is doing evil. Speaking of… Read more »
I type pretty fast, but thanks for the suggestion. The time spent is in making sure what I type is what I was trying to get across, since speech/writing is an imperfect translation of our thoughts, and that I didn’t drop, transpose, or misspell words. And sometimes internet searches to make sure I didn’t get any of my facts wrong. After all, posts on the internet are forever. I can re-read my stuff 20 times before I post it and will still see an error I missed one minute after I post it. Plus I get interrupted at home sometimes,… Read more »
Well. I don’t think a coin site would last if it stuck to just the inside mint stuff. May as well just make standardized test questions to answer. 1. Do you like coin? Why or why not 2. Are you buying for personal connection or just collecting, or investment? 3.is it too expensive? Why or why not 4. Did they make enough or too few Exciting. But then again those are the hard hitting behind the scenes kind of questions that somehow biden wouldn’t be able to answer without permission from his handlers, or previously answered for him. Riveting stuff.… Read more »
Well Dazed and Coinfused,
At least I completely agree with your first sentence.
Fun fact. I moved out of Texas because of Cruz and abbott.
Sadly, DeSantis has gone off the deep end in last couple of years and the VA here is a joke. Also, wife is south American and most relatives are Filipino. I have no issue with people coming, but wanting better life or make more money isn’t refuge. Venezuelans and Ecuadorian and Argentines seeking refuge in her country are turning it into a 4th world country. And trafficking. What an idiot. Cartel are bringing them over and making them sex workers or enslaved. Quickly forgot all those kids hurt at that factory. Texas and Florida are deporting them. deport dĭ-pôrt′ transitive… Read more »
Didn’t see new York or biden offering to pay up to feed and house these people for last 2 years. Aoc came out a few times and crying about conditions, how dare you put them behind a fence, how dare you not serve them steak and wine daily. Now suddenly new York gets a couple busses in 3 months and he needs money. 3k a day not enough per day to properly accommodate them. But you missed the point. If those that fought to secure the homeland and oil and are too disabled to the point they can’t work, but… Read more »
Will the Mint retain this image of Washington for future quarters or revert to the old portrait in use since 1932? I like this one.
Major D,
Per the coinage law of 2020, there will be a new design of Washington on the obverse of the quarters for 2027-2030 for the youth sports theme. After that, in 2031 there will be a totally new design of Washington again on the obverse & new reverse designs.
NumisdudeTX
Major D, The law I was referring to is the Circulating Collectible Coin Redesign Act of 2020. It states what I posted above regarding the obverse Washington design in certain years. In future years after that which is mandated in that law, the design you mentioned can be used. But, the law does state that after the Youth Sports program ends, the quarter will bear a new likeness of Washington & a new reverse design (unless, of course Congress updates this law through new legislation or passes another requirement & is approved by the President if signed into public law.… Read more »
Major D,
So true! Too many damn coin programs & 335 products listed as of last week as available on the Mint’s website! Even a clad copper-nickel commemorate coin costs like $40 plus $5.95 shipping – how many kids can afford that on their own?? It’s silly & sad for sure. Maybe kids could start a new sport & go outside & throw Lincoln cents at each other! A cheap sport for sure. Lol.
NumisdudeTX
Major D,
Yes, how true! The mom & pop convenience store next to the playground at one of my elementary schools actually had a ‘penny candy’ section where each small item was one cent. And the candy was individually wrapped. It was 1972. Bubble gum machines at the time also only cost one cent per piece.
NumisdudeTX
Kaiser,
Lol. “Mom, I got hit hard in the face by a projectile penny!”
NumisdudeTX
Plus kids can’t work anymore. They must have a car and license to deliver papers. Shoe shine boys are rare. Cutting grass, but those 87,000 IRS agents will shake em down if you don’t file for anything over $600. Hunter doesn’t pay millions and fails to file as a foreign agent and he gets charges dismissed. Thanks pop. Lemonade stands are rare. So not many Avenues for kids to earn money. Unless you are illegal then you can work at a factory up north in Yankee territory and aside from tornado ripping through killing you, or a fire causing an… Read more »
Reminds me of Canada’s commemorative series. Too many coins, too many designs, too many choices (regular, colorized, gold plated) and some seem more like medals than coins except they have CANADA and a value on them. Even Canadian collectors aren’t interested in them, which explains the often low mintages. I see this as a possible future for U.S. coins as well. We’ll end up as many Canadian collectors, only collecting coins prior to a given date (in their case 1937).
A.I. should be able to design a painting of George Washington doing whatever and a 3d printer should be able to print the planchet. No engravers needed. So what you want Washington to do differently? Maybe in British uniform handing in his retirement letter? Or laying the cornerstones in his masonic lodge demarcing the corners of the district named after him. Maybe him acting like he’s holding up the Washington monument like everyone that goes to Pisa in Italy does. Or one without his wig on. Or starving in New York. Or riding a horse. Maybe his visit to the… Read more »
I’d prefer if we never started to use portraits on coinage. I mean how many ways must we bow and kneel to these dead people before we have officially honoured them? The only coin I ever liked, with a portrait on the obverse, was the Franklin half dollar. I’ll take the various versions of Lady Liberty any day. Put Mercury back on the Mercury dime. I know some will claim it’s Lady Liberty wearing a hat, but I’d prefer to imagine that she has changed her sexual preference and is now really fast! You go girl, I mean boy.
Please don’t say that. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if that concept isn’t being conceived in the Mint. Of course, or thankfully, they would need to be deceased to appear on the obverse. Unless they change that rule as well.
Major D,
The Mint has for decades sold bronze medals with the Mint directors image on the obverse. As comedian & “The View” co-host Joy Behar often says – “So what, who cares?”. Lol.
NumisdudeTX
Major D,
That is too funny! Political appointees on official USA medals…what a waste of the Mint designers/engravers time.
NumisdudeTX
You forgot the Donald J. Trump Inaugural Medal. Heil T!
I guess this means the “great coin shortage” is past.
I went to my bank today and they had no rolls of Quarters to spare, none.