Additional displays of superb-quality, classic United States coins are planned for the inaugural Great American Coin & Collectibles Show in the Tampa, Florida Convention Center, September 11-14, 2024, according to show organizers.
The exhibits now will also include outstanding items from the Dell Loy Hansen Collection, the most valuable collection of United States coins, and the largest public display of artifacts and memorabilia related to classic U.S. commemorative coins from the J&L Collection.
As announced earlier, the show will also feature the first Tampa display of the famous Eliasberg 1913 Liberty Head nickel as well as a 1943 bronze Lincoln cent, both courtesy of GreatCollections (www.GreatCollections.com).
One of the new additions to the exhibits courtesy of Hansen and DLRC (www.DLRCcoins.com) will be nearly 150 coins from his extensive collection. This display will include the Hansen Barber Half Dollars Collection from 1892 to 1915, the all-time finest set of its kind. There will also be a selection of Hansen’s Liberty Head Double Eagles and silver three-cent coins on display.
All the coins are now certified by CAC Grading (www.CACGrading.com), a Grand Co-Sponsor and the Official Grading Service of the show. Highlights of the exhibit include:
- 1855 silver three-cent, CACG PR67 Cameo
- 1869/9 silver three-cent, CACG PR67+ Cameo
- 1899-O Barber half-dollar, CACG MS66+
- 1901 Barber half-dollar, CACG PR68 Cameo
- 1851 Liberty Head $20, CACG MS64
- 1854 Large Date Liberty Head $20, CACG MS64
"The J&L Collection of classic United States commemorative coins from 1892 to 1954 is far and away the best commemorative collection in existence. Many of the coins are the finest known or tied for finest known and have spectacular, natural toning," stated veteran professional numismatist and show planner Larry Shepherd.
"Seven, especially attractive coins from the silver commemorative half-dollars set will be displayed along with a huge assortment of rarely-seen original envelopes and holders, coin sales receipts, brochures, and literature about the events for which the coins were issued. It will cover seven booths and 35 cases; an amazing educational experience," explained Shepherd.
"This exhibit will be the largest and most complete collection of 1892-1954 classic commemorative documentation and memorabilia in existence, and most of the items are extremely rare. There will be rare memorabilia related to all 50 classic commem design types. This is truly a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity for commem lovers, a rare opportunity!," emphasized Shepherd.
The seven coins from the J&L Commemorative Coins Collection to be displayed are:
- 1937 Roanoke, PCGS MS68
- 1936 York, PCGS MS69, the finest known
- 1923-S Monroe, PCGS MS67+, tied for finest known
- 1892 Columbian Exposition, PCGS MS 68, the finest known
- 1936 Texas, PCGS MS68+, tied for finest known
- 1926 Oregon Trail, PCGS MS69, finest known
- 1934 Maryland, PCGS MS68, finest known
The finest set of "Stella" $4 denomination gold coins in the PCGS Set Registry® and an 1845 proof set will be displayed by Tangible Investments of Laguna Beach, California (www.TangibleInvestmentsInc.com). The superb-quality Stella was a major attraction during the set’s debut display at the recent American Numismatic Association 2024 Chicago World’s Fair of Money®.
The coins’ grades are 1879 Coiled Hair PCGS PR65+ CAM CAC with a mintage of only 20; 1879 Flowing Hair PCGS PR67 CAM CAC, mintage 425; 1880 Coiled Hair PCGS PR65+ CAM CAC, mintage 10; and 1880 Flowing Hair PCGS PR66 CAM CAC, mintage 35.
Shepherd announced the show will also present a new, fun concept for other displays, the Numismatic Educational Journey that will offer visitors a chance to win a proof 2024 Morgan and 2024 proof Peace dollar.
"About two dozen dealers have agreed to exhibit something special, rare, or of unusual numismatic interest at their tables. These are items the dealers have acquired over the years, are especially proud of, and decided to keep for themselves. They will share the items at the Tampa show for everyone to see in person," he explained.
Attendees at the show will be given a list of participating tables to visit and copy a code. Those who finish the interactive, educational and enjoyable journey and collect all the codes will be eligible for a drawing to win a two-coin set of the United States Mint’s new release at the show, the 2024 proof Morgan and Peace Dollars.
"I don’t know of any other show that has ever had a lineup of displays this powerful," Shepherd stated.
The Tampa, Florida Convention Center is located at 333 S. Franklin Street. Public hours for the show are on Wednesday, September 11, from noon to 5:30 pm; Thursday, September 12, and Friday, September 13, from 10 am to 5:30 pm; and on Saturday, September 14, from 10 am to 2:30 pm.
Admission is $15 from Tuesday to Friday, and admission is free for everyone on Saturday.
For additional information about the Great American Coin and Collectibles Show, visit www.GACC.show, or contact Larry Shepherd at 719-464-8801 or email at ShepherdExpos@gmail.com.
Stella$!!!! Imagine if the mint gave us Stella redeux instead of more Saints and Walkers…. Aw shuttup and buy
A streetcar named desire…for coins.
Operators are standing…bye.
The proof Barber Half is one of my most favorite coins that I can no longer afford to collect. That one is a beauty in “Cameo.”
The proof Barber Half is a coin I could never have afforded to collect. And so it goes.
Kaiser, don’t feel alone, I can’t afford them either. When I first started reading and participating over on the old Mint News Blog (MNB), back many, many years ago, I would read comments from fellow collectors and they would share the coins they were purchasing. When they would talk about purchasing the gold 4 coin sets, one oz gold coins, half ounce, etc., I would think, man I wish I could afford that!! I couldn’t even afford a 1/10th oz gold coin. How can they afford these rather expensive coins!! I would be envious, not jealous, big difference! I was… Read more »
AKBob, Your clearly heartfelt and powerfully supportive words of encouragement are truly very much appreciated, and believe me I am definitely taking them to heart. I’m at a place in my life now where I’m finally able to put so many of the old issues and difficulties of my ego aside and take more care, effort, and time to listen to other people’s words of concern and wisdom. As a matter of fact, people like you here, AKBob, are great contributors of ideas as to how I can manage to make my life in my “elderhood”, if you will, as… Read more »
The only Barber I have is a very worn Barber 1916 dime. I bought it to fill a space in a type coin collection I had a long time ago, one of each coin of each denomination.
Antonio,
That’s one more Barber than most people on earth have, so you are among the a specific numismatic elite in that regard. Regardless of its condition, in fact maybe even due to it having been put to so much use, it’s a real find and a keeper.
Kaiser,
I have a bag for of Barbers from my childhood days. They are all circulated coins, but the dates are intact. I’ve never considered them to be valuable monetarily , at least no more than spot Ag, but sentimentally they are priceless!
Craig, First of all, it is really awesome that you have that at all. It’s hard for me to even imagine having an entire bag full of Barbers, especially since I’ve never held a single one in my hands, ever. The fact that they’re circulated doesn’t matter nearly as much as long as all the dates show clearly; I would still call those truly outstanding to have! And as for their cash value, for true collectors like us that particular aspect takes second place to pride of ownership, and furthermore as far as I’m concerned personal sentimental considerations trump even… Read more »
Kaiser,
Here are a few of the Barbers I’ve collected (or were given to me) during my early years. They must’ve been plentiful in 1912 because I have a lot from that year. I have to chuckle when I look at the prices I’ve paid for coins I got back then. How times have changed!
Great picture and thank you, we like photos!
The old canvas/cloth protector mat is an interesting touch as well.
Rick,
That’s my ‘mouse pad’ and it’s been worn extensively but still works well. I call that a keeper. Lol
PCGS or NGC could slab that mouse pad for you. Might be worth something one day. 😉
A holder of that size would most likely qualify for the Marvel Super Slab Universe. Outstanding!
Lol. Don’t give certain people any ideas, VA Bob. That old mouse pad is from a school not far from VA….U. of Md terrapin. And since it’s college football time again (Yeah!) I’ll say I’m rooting for the terps to make it to the playoffs, but realise it’s a far fetched wish. I absolutely love this time of the year.
Still trying to grasp 18 teams in the Big10 now.
Major D,
At this point I’m not sure which is more strange, now having 18 teams in a formerly 10 team (Big 10) conference or being left with 2 teams in a formerly 12 team (Pac 12) conference. Like Cyndi Lauper said (sang), “Money changes everything”. The way I see it, this expansion of FBS Division Conferences into coast-to-coast entities is not merely ridiculous but possibly even insane.
Incidentally, have you ever wondered why on earth football is called that when it’s a game played almost entirely with the hands?
Kaiser, As you well know, the entire rest of the world calls something else “football”…a sport that really does involve mostly the feet. We call it “soccer”. Rugby is by far closer to American football, including the ovoid shape of the ball. And then there is Handball, which is amazingly like soccer, only played with the hands! The ball is a bit smaller, but the basics of play are quite similar. Of course America is one of the last few holdouts still using the British Imperial system of weights & measures – even the UK now uses metrics (except for… Read more »
Sam-I-am, We Americans have to call that other game actually played with the feet “soccer” because we already have a game called “football” which by the way we can’t call “handball” either because there’s yet another game by that name in existence. Of course, there’s also Australian Rules Football which is quite enough to make the entire situation even crazier. I can relate to your ability to work in both the British and metric systems of measurement since I dealt with that situation for the eighteen years I lived in Europe before arriving on these shores after flying x number… Read more »
I’m still trying to grasp California teams in the ACC. Does that make any sense.
Craig, None of these farfetched re-alignments make any sense whatsoever. Some conferences are now so over-loaded with schools that the teams involved will be playing each other once every few years while on the other hand those conferences which have been stripped of many if not almost all of their schools and teams are hanging on to viabilty by a fingernail. Not to mention the travel distances now involved for the “stretched” conferences; more time on the airplane and less in the classroom, as if it hadn’t been bad enough already in that particular regard. Perhaps it’s time to end… Read more »
Craig, There’s no reason for me not to stay loyal to Michigan State forever. I know the quality of the football program there isn’t anything like it was in my day (Class of 1969) but hey, I can always hold on to the hope there might be some sort of a resurgence. But University Maryland, sure, I can relate to that too. They had a two year branch in Munich, Germany, that some of my classmates from Heidelberg High attended; in fact, I almost went there myself. Not to mention that Boston University, which is in the city I live… Read more »
Go Green! Go White!
Amen to that, Major D!
The 1840 O and 1853 Arrows, Christian Gobrect designed coins are super cool IMO Craig. Thanks for sharing the pic! Lastly, not being very familiar with these coins, what are the coins(1840/1853) denomination?
CaliSkier,
Those are Seated Liberty dimes. I always enjoyed collecting coins most folks never heard or saw before (not talking about folks on this site). I bought those as a kid and still add a couple these days as they are still very affordable.
Craig and CaliSkier,
I’m glad someone was willing to ask in regard to the denomination of those coins because I was reluctanct to do so for fear of appearing unlearned in the numismatic arts, so to speak.
Kaiser,
Never worry about that, there are tons of facts I don’t know about numismatics…but I can always ask for an answer! The Seated Liberty Dime might just be my favourite design on the dime. They were minted from 1837-1891, hence most folks never found them in circulation. If I were to try and buy something with one today, I’m sure I’d get some strange looks!
Craig,
Good point, my friend, about there being lots of coin collectors other than yours truly here who aren’t necessarily all that well-versed in anything more than the basic aspects of numismatics.
Craig,
Many thanks for sharing that view into your Barber collection; I felt myself going on a virtual/vicarious trip through history just looking at them!
I started thinking about coin prices when you mentioned the difference between what the Barbers cost then and now. It made me realize that while those figures have changed markedly it is actually courtesy of inflation that the gap is less than one might ordinarily believe. For example, $1.00 in 1970 was worth the equivalent of $8.11 today. So many factors to consider!
AKBob, There are a lot of folks out there that have more $$, land, houses, gold, silver, and cars than I do, and do you know what I think…good for them. I have several pounds of gold coins and probably a ton of silver coins (I’m being a bit hyperbolic there) and intend to just pass them along to family members, when the time comes. I’ve said before that coins look their best in Au, but that doesn’t mean I don’t appreciate the look of Ag coins, especially in Proof condition for both metals. I guess I’m a lot like… Read more »
Craig,
As both AKBob and CaliSkier have said so very sagely more than once here, it’s far more important to be happy with what one has than to worry about what someone else happens to have that we don’t. Good for you for having achieved that level of self content, especially since it is not necessarily one we grew up to believe in and or accept. However, knowing that the world is already much too full of greed and envy as it is there is no need for any of us here to add to that.
I haven’t taken notice of those Proof Barber half’s before. Now I have.
Beautiful classic coin right there E1.
Rick,
Apparently, Dell had a set of Proof Barber Halves. Man, I would love to see that set. Old proof money in the house.
Cheers
E 1 and Rick,
As seems to be a widespread and quite genuine sentiment here, we as coin collectors are much better off all-around when we choose to admire rather than envy those who have assembled the “great collections”. Cheers to all!
Well, maybe it’s just me Kaiser,
But I have zero problems admiring, envying, and comparing a thing or two that crosses my path now and then.
Throw in a little self deprication with a humourous twist once in awhile, and I’m grounded, happy, and complete as a coin collector.
It could be a 1959-D 1C, or a 1959-M $10 Peso coin, or both that would make me proud to have, share, and enjoy….
Rick,
Being “grounded, happy, and complete as a coin collector” is about as good a formula for numismatic (and for that matter all-around) happiness and contentment as one could imagine. And thanks for sharing the photo of the one cent and ten Peso coin; a very nice composition indeed!
And just today I found a 1C 2009-D “Professional Life” in a hotel stairwell, so my grounded, happy day is complete lol..
Yes 99% of the time I pick up a penny. Am I a nerd? Or maybe a lucky stiff who finds a scarcity? Both would be just fine with me…
Rick, You “grounded” yourself by picking up a penny off the ground; how very appropriate is that! It’s also cool that this Lincoln bio cent is dated exactly fifty years later than the 1959-D you displayed above; coincidences are truly afoot. As far as self-characterization, I’d be happy to be a nerd who found an honest to goodness scarce coin of any denomination on the sidewalk; when I think of all the fancy pocket protectors that could buy me! By the way, I think those four special Lincoln cents are an awesome looking “set”; kind of makes me happy we… Read more »
It is no doubt a gift and a blessing that unmatchable collections of numismatic royalty such as the Dell Loy Hansen (#1 in American Coins) and the J&L (#1 in U.S. Commemoratives) exist. The only downside to this (if it can even be thought of as such), at least for me anyway, is that collections like the aforementioned make my own exceedingly humble assemblage of coins pale beyond all conceivable measure in comparison.
Kaiser, if possible, try not to compare or look down upon your collection of coins as best you can. Only saying this, as a book I’ve been reading brings up comparisons and how unhealthy and often unrealistic or unfair comparisons can be. We all travel a different path, with different variables as well as different time frames. Additionally, one doesn’t have to look very far, to read about the negative affects, comparison can lead to. The mental health consequences created by the habit of comparison can exact a toll on our overall mental health unfortunately. The comparison habit may or… Read more »
Cali,
Hear, hear! I applaud your attitude, and your support of all of us here on this site for an exceptionally well-balanced view of our mutual hobby!
CaliSkier, While my attitude towards my own coin collection as a result of the rather stark and admittedly unbalanced comparison I had made above clearly appeared to be one of unduly negative observations and opinions, I can honestly and enthusiastically say that your response to that unfortunate instance of self-deprecation has been not only extremely uplifting but absolutely inspirational. The way I look at in retrospect is that if I hadn’t spoken up about how very less-than my numismatic efforts and (dare I call them) accomplishments seemed to me you would quite likely not have been nearly as moved to… Read more »
Wisdom from Cali! We all appreciate your thoughts and encouragement.
I grew up in the 50s &early 60s in Ohio. We were poor, but I never knew it!!! I had a rich, full, and enjoyable youth – especially appreciated when I see what my grandchildren have to deal with!
Who knows – that may be a truth that every generation feels.
Regardless, being satisfied with what you have is a tough life lesson for many (so long as hunger and abuse are absent from the environment.)
Thanks for the life lesson reminders, Cali.
DaveSWFL,
As you have already demonstrated thanks to your description of your wonderful childhood and youth, it is far less damaging for a family to be somewhat cash-strapped than to be short of the most important elements such as love, togetherness and an appreciation of life no matter what form or shape it happens to take for each one of us.
Go ahead. Make my day.
We’ll see how long this one lasts.
Cheers
Unbelievably Beautiful Flowing Hair.
… and the puppies!
It’s a nip and tuck race. Ms. Cuoco vs. the also blessed Sidney Sweeney.
Jen Jen again….
https://www.etsy.com/listing/1571980757/jennifer-aniston-signed-8×10-photo
The ads have improved greatly.
E 1,
She is now and has always been adorable…and sexy! Which means of course she has been certified with the Kaiser Stamp Of Approval and graded a 10 on the new TPG point system. As far as a holder, I’m not sure yet how that will be handled. 😉
Nice, but I think this example might be artificially enhanced, and therefore ‘body bagged’, though I wouldn’t mind having it in my collection.
Body bagged or not, I’d be willing to re-submit for a restoration. Check that, there’s not much room for improvement. Keeper sleeper and genuine in the High Relief department!
Rick,
You’ve outdone yourself here. There’s simply nothing left to add!
E1, “Apparently, Dell had a set of Proof Barber Halves.” I think Mr Hansen still has them according to the above article? Wow either way! “This display will include the Hansen Barber Half Dollars Collection from 1892 to 1915, the all-time finest set of its kind.” I’ll tell you what, Tampa would be such a great coin show to visit and see all of his, and all the other famous coins on display, amazing! Interesting that just a few weeks ago people were cutting Hansen down for crossing his collection over to CAC Grading. I give him the ultimate kudos… Read more »
Rick,
Since Mr. Hansen had enough cash to spare to assemble the best collection of United States coinage in existence then he’s not likely to be putting himself into financial jeopardy by grading and slabbing his entire collection again. Done and dusted.
A slight correction is required here. The headline article above says that Hansen has the “most valuable” collection of United States coinage. Whether or not that description translates to the “best” collection is, I suppose, another story.
Rick,
The sale may have already started……
https://www.ebay.com/itm/175872485483
Warning: Baked beans and public transit may result after buying this coin or others like it. Been there, done that.
Peace Out
Also, the “Seller’s Other Items” are worth an additional look too.
And another bottomless pocket, wallet and/or bank account wouldn’t hurt either.
E1,
Very interesting toning and very few problems, hence the grade. Great coin. Get ready to see a lot more CACG classics entering the Rarities marketplace.
The sellers other items, they are some serious rare coin people–Oh man. No deals for those Barber halves at the moment. I’m already on a cornbread & beans diet so I can keep those Kennedy’s going!
Here’s a $4 Gold Stella they have for sale below. Only 35 coins struck and 2 in this grade –just for you John Q….
https://www.ebay.com/itm/204845034348
Rick,
I would suggest that these days the smartest way to gain access to more buying power is to switch over to a dehydrated liquid diet.
Kaiser I thought it was my turn to provide an oxymoron to reveal my linguistically limited vocabulary, no?
Rick,
Our “take a number” dispenser is temporarily on the fritz so we’ve switched to the honor system instead, which realistically relies on everyone’s adherence to same. Bad luck all around.
Rick,
Yup, they have some serious game. A numismatic candy store.
https://www.ebay.com/str/rarecoinwholesalers
After looking through all of their inventory, I asked myself “Where did I go wrong?” They are family owned and their expertise must be multi-generational. I guess that is what it takes to get to the top in this industry.
BTW, nice Stella. I saw 4 of them Live in PCGS PR65 in or about 1995. They have gone up massively in price since then. I missed the boat on those. I haven’t seen one since.
Later
E 1,
After perusing the selection the link leads to I can only say OMG!
Kaiser,
Yup, nothing but candy.
E1, I’m looking around(no rush)for one of these Kennedy Proofs linked below, but 6-7k is a lot of moolah. Even the CAM’s aren’t cheap! I don’t really want one lower graded than an Accented Hair PF68CAM. A 69CAM is fantastic and probably more$, but the DCAM’s are sick! Some cherry-picking and patient shopping is in order I’m sure, any other advice?.. I’m thinking of trading in something to help fund the Kennedy. Like one of these in the photo? I’m not too keen on trading a Gold coin for Silver..(AKBob would yell at me!).. we’ll see, just looking at options.… Read more »
Rick,
That AH 68 DCAM is a tough coin. Back in the day when I was buying the AHs, I was only able to afford a PR-68 and a PR-67 Cameo. I would love to trade those up for a 68 DCAM. But those two goldies you have there would be hard to part with IMO. You might be better off trading up Gold 4 Gold at some later point. But those are two coins are mighty impressive. Maybe, keep one and sell the other?
Cheers
Thanks, it would be only one of those.
I’ll wait, it’s too early to know what they’re going to do in the market. I need to take a look at some other stuff that’s available. It’s hard to give up something to trade, and I don’t want to dig into pockets, there not that deep! But the DCAM is so nice, and if the ideal coin comes along, well,
Decisions.. Patience……
I submitted these to NGC back in the day. They’re baked into the cake now. I don’t think I will be making any future updates though. But still, some pretty decent specimens.
And the last of them. That was the best I could do back in the day. Much better specimens have risen to the market’s surface since the 1990s. I hope you enjoyed the show Rick.
Later
High Quality Proof examples, every one of them.
The SMS Cameo & DCAM coins are about as close as an MS coin can get to being Proof, they pretty much are.
I always enjoy the show bro.
The Accent Hair variety is on the bucket list!
E 1,
I would tend to call those bon bons. 🙂
Thanks for the site E1. Now I know where I can unload any excess $$$ I have, and quickly!
Craig,
Need to rid yourself of a heap of cash fast? Here’s the number for you! Dial 555-ALL-COIN. Most Denominations Accepted.
Kaiser,
Not those Nigerian Princes again! They always seem to need more money.
Back up the truck!
E 1,
I’m particularly fond of baked beans but I have a strong aversion to public transportation. How best can I fit myself into the coin buying landscape? 😉
“How best can I fit myself into the coin buying landscape?”
Well, you can always hang out here with me in the cheap seats Kaiser.
Only, E 1, if the cheap seats aren’t in the rafters; I don’t like heights!
Actually, we’re in the bleachers. Bring your shades.
E 1,
Could never understand why they’re called “the bleachers”. If anything, after a few hours in the unforgiving summer sun you’re likely going to be a few shades darker!
E 1, OMG!! That’s an impressive coin there AND his other coins are out of this world! Love being able to see such examples, in high grades from so long ago! Thankfully, there were collectors that preserved these specimens!! Thank you so much for sharing this! Who couldn’t appreciate these? 😮
You’re welcome AKBob. Definitely some eye poppers there. Total eye candy. Maybe some of the coins we put back today will be in the same boat 100 years from now.
Cheers
Gentlemen,
Aren’t those two beauties out of the “Enhanced but probably well circulated” sets? 🙂
DaveSWFL, I’d briefly contemplated trying to fashion an amusing coin tie in with the “pair”, however you nailed it and had a spot on reply! Thanks for the chuckle!
I’d say they both have a nice Matched Set. If they’re Mint or not is another story.
DaveSWFL,
If they look like globes they’ve been artificially amplified, which might indeed be what has in fact occurred in Kaley Cuoco’s case. If on the other hand they have a natural shape as is the case with Sidney Sweeney (whose mother had advised her to not have a reduction) they just happened to develop that way. Watching Penn and Teller’s “Bullsh*t” Show with its obligatory nude girl lineup finale in each episode was a truly eye-opening educational experience; clearly, I learned a lot.
Possibly enhanced, but very circular.
2024 Uncirculated Coin Sets, have maintained their $29/set price and the subscriptions have begun the charging and shipping process.(8/23) Also, the subscriptions have rolled over to 2025, in regards to the “Next product in subscription”. So, no price increase in the Federal Register, as of yet. I expect a price raise in 2025 and if not, for sure in 2026. For just $29 vs $35, one can fabricate up to, 20 Christmas ornaments from 1 Uncirculated Coin Set! LOL Or you could let the Mint or it’s vendor, “whup” one up for you at $35 a pop! As I’ve mentioned… Read more »
From the devil’s mouth:
“United States Mint uncirculated coins are struck on special presses using greater force than circulating coins, producing a sharp, intricately detailed image.”
Uncirculated Coin Set 2020 | US Mint
Interestingly, the Mint dropped this sentence starting with the 2021 Uncirculated set.
It would be nice if Ventris would confirm the continuation of the process Major D brought up.
Actually, an article explaining ALL the processing differences between circulating coins and mint and proof sets would be greatly appreciated.
Also, it should be standard procedure for the mint to announce ANY changes made in the production process for ALL products.
DaveSWFL, that would be great to see and know. I used the term “devil” very tongue-in-cheek, but there does seem to be a lot of distrust and suspicion of deceitful practices when it comes to the Mint- so some truthful transparency and in-depth independent reporting would be welcome.
Thanks Major D, I knew and hoped you would find something to prove me wrong with my take on these mint set coins. Or am I? If you have the 2020 set perhaps an in hand comparison with a ’23 set looking for sharp vs weak vs finish in the strike if possible? I’m curious if they have continued these “intricately detailed” strikes for the new sets, or dumped the claimed process along with the descriptive sentence noted above. If the sets have a “special strike” for 2020 and earlier, then the Special Strike recognition is warranted for the TPG’s(oh… Read more »
Rick, it’s there in the 2019 Uncirculated Set description as well:
Uncirculated Coin Set 2019 | US Mint
and 2018, too:
Uncirculated Coin Set 2018 | US Mint
Incidentally, it was quite by accident that I stumbled onto this, as I wasn’t specifically looking for the strike.
And lastly, also in the 2017 description (the last year in which I could look up):
Uncirculated Coin Set 2017 | US Mint
Rick,
The pertinent question now is whether or not the has Mint continued into 2021 and beyond it’s practice of Special Strike treatment for its Uncirculated Sets.
The “has Mint“? WTF?
I hadn’t noticed until you pointed it out. Funny how the mind “reads” it and unconsciously self corrects.
Major D,
I mind pointing out my own writing errors as little as I would be mortified to be guilty of pointing out the composition mistakes of others. After all, it doesn’t hurt to laugh at oneself.
Major D,
Thank you so very much for posting this. I had stated many times previously here that this was indeed the case but I clearly failed to accompany my contention with the sort of solid evidence you just provided. As a result, it has always appeared to me that my claims were being viewed with a good dose of skepticism. Hopefully my credibility in this regard has now taken a “major” step toward acceptance.
Kaiser, I’d say your credibility is unwavering at AAA. No need to worry there!
Thank you being so kind as to say that, Major D; very much appreciated!
Check out the description of the minting process as described for the 2025 sets….
They do appear to be special.
For the 2025 Uncirculated sets
That’s a good find, Tony@GA. Uncirculated Coin Set Subscription | US Mint
It’s interesting that it appears on the subscriptions page, but not on the catalog page description for each set, 24RJ, 23RJ, 22RJ and 21RJ (unless I missed seeing it).
Major D,
So there’s the answer. The Uncirculated Sets are still made with Special Strike Coins.
This is good news that I was wrong and interesting news Major, Kaiser, and Tony. Thanks. So the circulation quality rolls, bags, and 1 ton pallets are the same planchet provided, but a weaker, less detailed strike is what I gather? If this is not a distinction that the TPG’s recognize when grading the UNC set coins vs the bagged coins, it needs to be? A Major D ‘in hand’ study of a “circulation strike” coin(roll or bag)vs an “UNC set” coin is in order? I’m being sincere and am very curious. Can you conduct such a study Major? Thanks.… Read more »
Rick,
I’m very excited I ordered two instead of just one of the 2024 Uncirculated Sets via Subscription. I’ll end up with two each of the 2024-D and 2024-P “Special Strike” nickels, and to top it off the Sets are already processing.
Congratulations! Those nickels individually may just be worth more than the entire set someday, maybe more? No joke.
Same with the Kennedy 50C that E1 plucks from the set for his UNC Album…
E1?
Rick, That’s how I been doing it for the last 20 years. Almost all of the Kennedys in my Dansco are from mint sets. I believe they are struck much better than the Kennedys issued in the bank rolls, mint wrapped rolls, and the mint bags. Additionally, I think the planchets are of better quality too. . The 2005-2010 mint sets were prepared as Matte and called out as SMS by the TPGs. With their matte finish they are obviously different than the coins issued for commerce and the mintages are lower. I am surprised they haven’t gained traction with… Read more »
Thanks E1, This is what I like, some education from a hands-on seasoned collector. That makes the most of sense for the Albums, buying just what you need separately in the blisters. It’s curious that there was a change in finish to SMS matte 2005-10. and not so today? Still yet, if these ‘higher end’ UNC set coins are easily distinguished from grocery store coins as you say, you would think the TPG’s would continue to make the SMS UNC distinction as well? Or do they? I’m out of the loop on unc/business strike coins with the exception of the… Read more »
Rick,
On the subject of the TPGs making a special distinction for certain attributes……..
I have always felt that the TPGs should make a special distinction for Walking Liberty Half Dollars with a Full Hand (FH). Very similar to the Mercury Dime’s Full Split Bands (FB), the Franklin Half’s Full Bell Lines (FBL), the Standing Liberty Quarter’s Full Head (FH), and the Jefferson Nickel’s Full Steps (FS).
Rick,
I don’t know about the “SMS UNC distinction” for these newer glossy higher quality “US Mint Uncirculated Set” coins. But, the “PL” designation is certainty in order for the better quality specimens. JMHO Braaa.
Later
That would be ok, especially for the TPG’s but not so much for the OGP faithful, talk about a plastic wasteland lol. The TPG’s do the PL on the 1C, just not much. A couple of them from PCGS in the 90’s, and of course NGC with the 2019-W 1C PL, but maybe I missed some out there? https://www.ebay.com/itm/305684625329 But with full boxes of PL 1C that I’ve seen(subjective) in hand, I don’t know? I’d like to see a comparison either in hand or on line with an unc mint set 1C and a Loomis 1C to see if there’s… Read more »
Thank you very much, Rick! The funny thing is, I had been mulling around in my mind just yesterday regarding exactly that. It is possible the 2024 Nickels from either Mint could quite likely exceed all the other components together of those Uncirculated Mint Sets in value somewhere down the road.
Rick, I’m afraid I’m not very well suited to do such a study. I’ve kept all of my uncirculated sets intact still in OPG and the loose uncirculated coins that I have are not very good quality. I do wonder though how the TPG would ascertain whether it was from a set or a bank roll? The 2005-2010 with the satin finishes would be easier to tell apart. Otherwise, doing the blind “taste test” so to speak, when side-by-side how easy is it to pick a special strike vs. a really good business strike?
No big deal Major,
Is it possible that you could take a look at one of your pre – ’24 UNC sets(if opened up?)and see if there’s a difference in ‘depth of strike’ and/or finish surfaces compared to a fresh looking coin from the bank or store?
Anyway thanks for the investigative work!
PS: The last UNC set(s) that I picked up were the 2009’s, so it’s been awhile for me…
Looks good from here lol(the $.02 in blue are from the other mint-toned copper)….
Wow, Rick, the coins in that set have certainly maintained their luster!
Nice coins in those 2009 sets! I really like the satin finishes, and those 95% coppers (Lincoln bicentennial 1c).
Unfortunately, I don’t have any uncirculated sets opened up to take good pictures of, to contrast with the “every-day” uncirculated varieties.
Rick, I saw your 2014-D Kennedy SP69 (awaiting approval). I thought the 2-coin Anniversary set was High Relief, but I don’t see it in the package specs, or on your slab. They look high relief to me. Do you know this to be the case? Nice looking coins.
Yes High Relief, as E1 pointed out many months ago when explaining his preferred list. They continued the high reliefs with the Silver coins after the 2014 UNC Sets?
If I’m not mistaken, there’s more than that set you have pasted?
1) There’s the “Business Strike” set.
2) And the “Special Strike” UNC HR set? Mine is from the SP UNC HR Set.
*But I could be way off base?
E1, I’m going to need your help and expertise with the “50th” Kennedy coin facts!?…..
The obverse. After having it restored, the coin looks PL and it’s one of my favorite Kennedy coins (nice clad!). They’re known for water spotting and very few get the top grades…
Now that, Rick, is one outrageously spectacular looking coin!
Jaime Hernandez: “In 2014 the U.S. Mint celebrated the 50th Anniversary of the Kennedy Half Dollar. The Mint also sold several limited sets which contained special Kennedy Half Dollars including a Gold Kennedy Half Dollar. Coins in the different sets were attributed by PCGS indicating what set they came from. Most coins in the sets were struck very well. This included the 2014-D Silver 50th Anniversary Half Dollars as most examples graded at about MS68-MS70 condition.” And my SP69 “P” coin above, fingerprint and all on the back(the coin is being restored for it as we speak fyi). I think… Read more »
Rick, I found this in the CoinNews archive: 2014 50th Anniversary Kennedy Half-Dollar Product Options | CoinNews
Three products featuring 7 coins- “all seven 50th anniversary coins feature a higher relief”:
Four-coin Silver Set
Two-Coin Clad Set
Individual 24-karat Gold Coin
Rick,
That’s a very impressive coin even before the restoration.
Sounds good Rick and your UNCs turned out great! Major D, if you will allow me to add further…. . The Kennedy business struck coins remained flat up until and including 2014 (P&D). However, in 2014, the US Mint produced a special 50th Anniversary High Relief Unc Set (mintage 199K). These special Unc Set coins have deep dished mirrored fields and exhibit proof like characteristics. . In 2015, the US Mint adopted the High Relief design on all P&D business struck Kennedys going forward. If you purchase a US Mint set from 2015 thru 2023, it will include the high-quality… Read more »
In 2015, the US Mint began striking all proof Kennedy half dollars, clad & silver, with the high relief design. In addition, the 2014 Proof Gold Kennedy (mintage 64K) was struck with the high relief design.
Don’t forget the 50th Anniversary Silver Set. It is hard to believe it has been 10 years since then. It was a great year.
Later
E 1,
Now that’s a Set that would make anybody’s heart beat faster!
Thanks everyone, 2014 was busy for the Kennedy at the Mint!
I was out of the loop that year being so busy, not one coin from the Mint, but I’m making up for it this year..
No Gold Kennedy–yet, it’s on the list!
Another favorite below, and proud that they have my coin first on the DMPL page!
Well, that’s a relief!
E 1,
Silver coins had to become as prohibitively expensive as they are now for me to turn around and take another good look at all of my clad sets and only then did I realize they could be visually just as appealing as the silver ones, but with their own unique look.
You can see the difference right there between the ’16 and the ’14. That ‘bowl’ that you’ve mentioned before is noticeable!
Out ..
Rick,
I somehow neglected to address the extremely important issue you brought up regarding Third Party Grading Services and the fact that they need to, that is if they in fact aren’t already, begin making an absolutely clear distinction between graded and encapsulated business strike uncirculated coinage and the Special Strike Uncirculated coins in the Uncirculated Mint Sets.
I don’t think that they make the distinction other than the obvious ones with the Special Finishes(SP)of years past(’64-67), (’05-10), (2017). If the UNC mint set coins are markedly superior than the BU Loomis coins(of which I said no, E1 & Mint said yes), then I would like to see it distinguished in the TPG’S. For example a Nickel; 1) 2005-P 5C SP67(Satin Finish)Bison 2) 2005-P 5C SP67(UNC Set)Bison 3) 2005-P 5C MS67(BU)Bison… But, you know what that means — MORE SLABS! They do #1 and 3 currently, but no distinction for my proposed UNC set #2. Interestingly enough, the… Read more »
Tony@GA,
Just out of curiosity, where is this description to be found? Thanks!
Thanks. I just found it with Major D’s link!
I just had a funny thought about what could perhaps most influence one’s attitude toward the spot price of silver. The earlier a person is in their collecting career the lower that individual might want the price of silver to go and remain. Conversely, if a long-term collector is getting close to calling his collection complete the more he might want the price of silver to skyrocket and stay there for the foreseeable future.
Yes, it’s the adage of buy low/ sell high. Same with stocks and real estate. Timing is Everything!
I might add, Major D, that in just about every aspect of life timing is everything.
If I were to own only “5” certified rare coins, what would they be?
1909-S VDB Lincoln Cent in MS63/64/65 RD or RB.
1955 Double Die Lincoln Cent in AU 58 or better in RB or BN.
1916-D Mercury Dime in MS63 or higher.
1916 P Type 1 Standing Liberty Quarter in MS63 FH or higher.
1937-D Three-Legged Buffalo Nickel in MS63 or higher.
What “5” coins would you choose?
E1, all excellent choices which I would be happy to have. For sake of offering a different set of five coins I propose the following.
1915s $50 Pan Pac (round or octagonal)
1836 Gobrecht dollar
1907 high relief St. Gaudens
1876cc twenty cent coin
1861o confederate half dollar.
East Coast,
I know those coins. A superb set of choices. You are a genuine Coin Guru.
Thank you for sharing.
Cheers
$50 million for 5 coins ought to do it.
Major league picks Major D. I am a fan of the 1907 Gaudens High Relief myself.
Thank you for sharing.
Cheers
Excellent choices gentleman! If I were “forced”/could afford, to only be able to “own” 5 certified rare coins, my choices would be the 1889 CC Morgan $1 Dollar, MS68 Eliasberg/Jack Lee, 1 in this grade. $1,000,000 1893 S Morgan $1 Dollar, MS67 Cornelius Vermeule/Jack Lee collection. $2,250,000+ 1915 S Pan Pacific Octagonal $50, MS66+ 1of1 in this grade. $350,000 1929 (P) Indian Head Half Eagle $5, MS65 14 in this grade $112,500 1933 St Gaudens Double Eagle $20, MS65 “Only 1” that’s legal to own is the King Farouk specimen. $22,500,000 Just think of what a bargain this would be… Read more »
CaliSkier, Major D, East Coast Guru and E 1,
Extremely interesting, informative, enlightening and entertaining selections of coins. Good job all around, my friends!
Gentlemen,
I forgot to mention that my favorite aspect of these “wish lists” was the clear absence of any duplication of selections. It was great to see each one of you take your own unique approach to this exercise thereby making it all the more meaningful.
Since we’re on the subject of lists, I’ve been working on a list of US Mint Reverse Proof coins and medals from 2006 (first of its kind) to today; and a list of Enhanced Uncirculated from 2013 (first of its kind) to today. I’d appreciate any corrections and/or additions you may have. Thanks in advance. LIST of US MINT REVERSE PROOF COINS American Gold Eagle: 2006-W $50 1-Oz Gold American Buffalo: 2013-W $50 1-Oz American Platinum Eagle: 2007-W $50 Half-Oz American Palladium Eagle: 2019-W and 2022-W $25 1-Oz American Silver Eagle: 2006-P, 2011-P, 2012-S, 2013-W, 2019-S Enhanced Rev Proof, 2019-W… Read more »
Major D, your comment got the juices flowing! LOL A couple of items of note came up whilst checking out your list, which BTW thanks for sharing your list! One note was regarding the 2019 S Kennedy you listed. Just, a little more information about this particular coin. This coin came from the “Apollo 11 50th Anniversary 2019 Proof Half Dollar Set”. The Kennedy Half included in this set is an Enhanced reverse proof. I only mention, as you noted this as part of or in your list for “Enhanced Uncirculated” coins, in addition to the list of reverse proofs… Read more »
CaliSkier, thanks for checking. Good catch on the EU List error showing the 2019-S Kennedy- there was only the enhanced reverse proof, no enhanced uncirculated. Regarding the 2020 BB clad half EU, I think 22K is a low number made, but perhaps many don’t know about it? Or there just isn’t a whole lot of interest in commemoratives hence the low resale numbers.
Major D,
I believe it to be your “Door #2”, which is that modern commemorative coins aren’t anywhere close to the pinnacle of interest for coin collectors.
Cali,
Maybe this can help with your questions on the 2019-S Kennedys.
Wow, Whoa, uhh….er’.. Dang, E1! Nice work, great collecting, and such a cool grouping of coins. Thanks for sharing all the pics on this thread of your Kennedy Half collection! When I started collecting for myself, back in 2008, I had started wanting to collect slabs, thinking how cool it would be to have complete collections in, PCGS PF/MS 70, of a few modern sets. The Kennedy half, Statehood and America the Beautiful quarters in their silver and clad PF formats. Kind of ended before I got in too deep, p/u only a handful. Price being the main reason for… Read more »
Cali,
Brick by brick. Just a couple each year. One year after another. Year after year. Decade after decade. In the end, when you’re an old fudder like me, you should have something significant that doesn’t require a boating trip. Hold, hold, hold and never let go unless it has spots. Keep things orderly and stick to the copper, silver, and gold.
Peace Out
E 1,
Sound advice for steady growth, which is ironically one of the reasons those growing up with a short attention span in TikTok America aren’t taking up coin collecting in significant numbers.
I’ve done that with the Silver Proof ATB Quarters (a slab set), except I haven’t finished it–still! The last 2-3 years is what I have left. It might look good in the ‘E1 slab case’ when complete, instead of packed away in a box lol. Santa might stop by this year with a couple of cases!? Keep it going Cali, whatever you choose to collect, a set of some sort will be rewarding when complete no matter how long it may take(sounds like you have many UNC sets, and also some spouses & random coins like me?). Nothing is complete… Read more »
Rick,
Yes, the eight above are in a case. Now picture all of your high end Gem Morgans in a case. I might suggest the black one. The silver should contrast well against the black. Great 1903-O! The old lady is on my case right now about my keyboard hours. NVDA reports after the close tomorrow (Wed 8/28) – a pivotal day for the markets on Thursday morning. Got to go.
All good bro.
Cheers
The black case it is, I’m committed and thanks for the visual inspiration-it helped!
The market’s are abuzz and will continue, cag will parse so you won’t have to ..
Tell her it’s Kaisers fault for the keyboard time!
How about an OGP ’21-D for good measure…Out.
Rick,
“Tell her it’s Kaisers fault for the keyboard time!”
Regardless of what else the resident Kaiser does or doesn’t do, you can be assured he reads every word of each and every comment, including the above classic blame-assigning beauty courtesy of the characteristically indomitable Sir Rick. Huzzah!
I thought I’d get caught!
Rick,
You make an excellent point regarding the essentially never-ending journey of coin collecting. I began my collecting ways, or days if you prefer, in the early 1950’s post-WWII Vienna with whatever aluminum Austrian coins I could acquire. Here I am now after seventy years of continuing acquisitions with a good-sized collection that I am very happy with and quite proud of. However, at least according to the way I choose to look at it, my trove of coins has not reached anything even close to what I would consider completion all these many decades later.
CaliSkier,
The above image would seem to be an ideal match for the singularly capricious numismatic spirit of the particularly unique Pacific island country of Nuie since it so perfectly emulates the oddness demonstrated by a good part of that tiny nation’s coin output. By the way, I trust it’s not difficult to discern I’m clearly being both serious and facetious here (not that there’s anything wrong with that).
Wouldn’t it be funny if those original Coca-Cola caps are actually a thing of greater value in a 100-years?
Major D,
What with “art” in general having become a more free-floating concept since the 1800’s it’s even possible those Coca-Cola bottlecap coins will in due time find a home at the Smithsonian.
E 1,
An array of JFK Half Dollars like that ranks as a museum-quality display.
CaliSkier, You just put me onto something I hadn’t given all that much thought to previously. I already know full well that to choose correctly as to what coins or coin sets will appreciably increase in value over the years is not the easiest thing to do. There is however the flip side of this experience stemming from the purchase of particular coin products that are acquired more or less out of habit. In this case it is a very rewarding surprise to find that down the road some of these items exhibit significant gains in value that were not… Read more »
All this talk of EU, RP, and HR coins from the “good old days” of the modern U.S. Mint offerings got me reminiscing about times when I WANTED to buy from them and spent untold thousands of dollars with them annually.
So sad that nowadays my only purchase is the annual uncirculated set! I find little that I WANT to buy and when I do, I just can’t justify the premiums!
DaveSWFL,
I don’t have the same problem; my issue is that I just won’t spend the money even if I want a lot more of the coins than I would currently dare to allow myself to buy. Sure, I love coins in general and having them in my own collection in particular, but I also like to pay my bills and it’s becoming ever more clear that as my fixed retirement income makes no substantial gains my expenses on the other hand continue to escalate. Something has to give, and a home, edibles and wheels trump a hobby any day.
When I started buying “older” US Mint coin sets in earnest three years ago (in 2021) I compared dealer pricing, ending up choosing APMEX as a good barometer 1) because they had everything to look up, and 2) because they seemed to be middle-of-the-road in terms of pricing- with Littleton being among the highest and Ebay auction deals (when you can get them) as the lowest. So, I thought 3 years would be a good period to look at how APMEX prices compare today vs. 2021. I looked at years 1963-2021 for Mint Sets, 1954-2021 for Proof Sets, and 1992-2021… Read more »
This is why when silver is “cheap”, there is real opportunity to grab silver proof sets at or very near spot pricing on eBay. When spot goes up, these sets go up. Very infrequently I have been able to snag some sets at below spot. When I do, I always break the quarters and Kennedy half out to weigh them to be sure they haven’t just been dipped. Surprisingly, I have never found a fake silver coin from a silver proof set form eBay!
DaveSWFL,
Quite frankly I couldn’t conjure up enough of the time and effort I assume is required for that kind of time-sensitive bargain hunting and buying. I’ll leave that to the more energetic among us!
DaveSWFL, I’ve never had anything but silver in the silver sets I’ve bought from eBay as well. But the point I was making is that when spot goes up, the silver sets do not necessarily follow. Spot was around $24 back in Oct 2021. Now it’s close to $30, yet the 2001, 2002, 2004, 2005, 2006 silver sets did not go up $8 (1.338 troy oz x $6 spot increase) from the 2021 pricing. Instead, they either stayed the same or went down in price. Perhaps this is just a peculiarity with APMEX.
Major D,
It seems to me that since APMEX purchased those Silver Mint Sets at or possibly even below their original release price the company can now afford to keep those prices relatively low to maintain a competitive advantage while still managing to make a profit.
DaveSWFL, it is gratifying to buy at or below spot + face value. I’ve been fortunate to do that on occasion.
Major D,
It appears you’ve just reminded us once again why collecting coins ought to be for personal edification and not as a means of trying to increase one’s retirement nest egg.
Kaiser, it is definitely a static market. I’m coming to realize more and more that much of the “dealing” in coins is between dealers. As I’ve said before, the last of us old-fart collectors left alive will have to buy up all of the coins or else there will be nobody to sell to.
Major D,
If you’re indeed correct in your interpretation of how the coin market operates these days, then not only might we old collectors indeed be a dying breed – hobby-wise and literally, I’m afraid I have to say – but it’s even possible that we may already have for all practical purposes been marginalized within whatever currently still exists of the numismatic realm.