US Mint Sales: Flowing Hair Silver Medal Reaches Two-Thirds of Mintage

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The first batch of U.S. Mint sales figures is in for the 230th Anniversary Flowing Hair Silver Medal. Released on Oct. 15 for $104, the .999 fine 1-ounce medal lasted just over 24 hours before going off sale, with its product page now shows "currently unavailable."

CoinNews photo 230th Anniversary Flowing Hair Silver Medal - Privy Mark
This CoinNews photo shows a 230th Anniversary Flowing Hair Silver Medal with a “230” privy mark

Figures place the medal, which celebrates the anniversary of the first dollar coin issued by the U.S. federal government, at a combined total of 49,925 — about two-thirds of the announced 75,000 mintage. Breaking it down, 40,999 were sold individually, while 8,926 went through the Mint’s Authorized Bulk Purchase Program (ABPP).

There’s no official word yet on whether the remaining one-third of the originally announced 75,000 mintage will be available. Currently, the Mint’s product page features a "Learn More" link with the standard statement:

"We are currently out of this item, but more may be available later. If you provide your email address or cell number using the “REMIND ME” button, you will receive any back-in-stock messages we send related to this product."

Sales of the medal on the secondary market have been exceptional, especially extraordinary for the distinct 1,794 carrying a "230" privy mark and the even smaller selection that includes both the privy mark and a certificate of authenticity hand-signed by the Honorable Ventris C. Gibson, Director of the United States Mint, limited to just 230.

U.S. Mint Top Sellers

Here is the roster of the U.S. Mint’s most sought-after numismatic products for the week ending on Oct. 20:

  1. 2024 Flowing Hair Silver Medal (+40,999)
  2. 2024 Flowing Hair Silver Medal (Bulk) (+8,926)
  3. 2024 Proof Set (+3,273 to 305,497)
  4. 2024 Mint Set (+1,295 to 142,126)
  5. 2024 Silver Proof Set (+897 to 148,919)
  6. 2024-S Proof Morgan Silver Dollar (+822 to 163,879)
  7. 2024-S Proof Peace Silver Dollar (+661 to 148,866)
  8. 2024-S Proof Silver Eagle (+495 to 115,203)
  9. 2024-W Proof Silver Eagle (+472 to 274,268)
  10. 2024 American Innovation Dollar Proof Set (+299 to 52,550)

In its latest report, the U.S. Mint published sales data for 496 numismatic products. The data revealed that 130 products outperformed their sales from the previous week, compared to 61 in the prior report. Two products experienced a week-over-week increase of more than 1,000 units, the same as in the previous report.

Additionally, 5 products posted negative weekly sales, down from 7 in the previous report. The biggest decline came from the recently released 2024 Grover Cleveland Presidential Silver Medal, which dropped by 3,495. The other four products saw losses ranging from 164 for the 2023 Limited Edition Silver Proof Set to 223 for the 2024 U.S. Mint Ornament.

US Mint Sales: Numismatic Products

Below are tables showing the latest available sales for U.S. Mint numismatic products. The sales period covers from Oct. 14 to Oct. 20. Products with an asterisk (*) are no longer available or had no reported sales.

2024 Commemorative Coins

Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
2024-S Proof Greatest Generation Half Dollar 18,017 18,122 105 0.58%
2024-D Uncirculated Greatest Generation Half Dollar 7,581 7,605 24 0.32%
2024-P Proof Greatest Generation Silver Dollar 30,787 30,976 189 0.61%
2024-P Uncirculated Greatest Generation Silver Dollar 10,202 10,247 45 0.44%
2024-W Proof Greatest Generation $5 Gold Coin 1,493 1,499 6 0.40%
2024-W Uncirculated Greatest Generation $5 Gold Coin 1,159 1,167 8 0.69%
2024 Greatest Generation Three-Coin Proof Set 4,384 4,397 13 0.30%
2024-S Proof Harriet Tubman Half Dollar 12,750 12,767 17 0.13%
2024-D Uncirculated Harriet Tubman Half Dollar 6,477 6,489 12 0.19%
2024-P Proof Harriet Tubman Silver Dollar 20,147 20,206 59 0.29%
2024-P Uncirculated Harriet Tubman Silver Dollar 6,983 7,015 32 0.46%
2024-W Proof Harriet Tubman $5 Gold Coin 1,547 1,555 8 0.52%
2024-W Uncirculated Harriet Tubman $5 Gold Coin 1,201 1,202 1 0.08%
2024 Harriet Tubman Three-Coin Proof Set 4,143 4,150 7 0.17%

Morgan & Peace Silver Dollars

Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
2024-S Proof Morgan Silver Dollar 163,057 163,879 822 0.50%
2024-S Proof Morgan Silver Dollar (Bulk – 40 Coins) 302 302
2024-S Proof Peace Silver Dollar 148,205 148,866 661 0.45%
2024-S Proof Peace Silver Dollar (Bulk – 40 Coins) 302 302
2024-P Uncirculated Morgan Silver Dollar 161,312 161,518 206 0.13%
2024-P Uncirculated Morgan Silver Dollar (40 – Bulk) 316 316
2024-P Uncirculated Peace Silver Dollar 154,283 154,414 131 0.08%
2024-P Uncirculated Peace Silver Dollar (40 – Bulk) 309 309
2023-S Morgan & Peace Silver Dollar Reverse Proof Set 247,820 247,820
2023-S Proof Morgan Silver Dollar 359,956 360,011 55 0.02%
2023-S Proof Morgan Silver Dollar (Bulk – 40 Coins) 443 443
2023-S Proof Peace Silver Dollar 326,093 326,137 44 0.01%
2023-S Proof Peace Silver Dollar (Bulk – 40 Coins) 438 438
2023-P Uncirculated Morgan Silver Dollar 260,527 260,527
2023-P Uncirculated Morgan Silver Dollar (40 – Bulk) 330 330
2023-P Uncirculated Peace Silver Dollar 260,474 260,474
2023-P Uncirculated Peace Silver Dollar (40 – Bulk) 338 338

230th Anniversary Flowing Hair Silver Medal

Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
2024 Flowing Hair Silver Medal 40,999
2024 Flowing Hair Silver Medal (Bulk) 8,926

2024 Liberty & Britannia

Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
2024-W Liberty & Britannia Gold Coin 5,549 5,549
2024-P Liberty & Britannia Silver Medal 33,183 33,186 3 0.01%

Armed Forces Silver Medals

Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
U.S. Army 2.5 Ounce Silver Medal 9,988 9,988
U.S. Marine Corps 2.5 Ounce Silver Medal 9,988 9,988
U.S. Navy 2.5 Ounce Silver Medal 9,987 9,987
U.S. Coast Guard 2.5 Ounce Silver Medal 9,955 9,955
U.S. Air Force 2.5 Ounce Silver Medal 9,953 9,953
U.S. Army 1 Ounce Silver Medal 16,865 16,939 74 0.44%
U.S. Marine Corps 1 Ounce Silver Medal 20,635 20,670 35 0.17%
U.S. Navy 1 Ounce Silver Medal 22,575 22,629 54 0.24%
U.S. Coast Guard 1 Ounce Silver Medal 18,696 18,716 20 0.11%
U.S. Air Force 1 Ounce Silver Medal 21,948 21,972 24 0.11%

American Liberty Products

Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
2023-W $100 American Liberty Gold Coin 12,188 12,188
2023-P American Liberty Silver Medal 34,946 35,196 250 0.72%
2022-P American Liberty Silver Medal 74,415 74,415
2021-W $100 American Liberty Gold Coin 12,471 12,471
2019-W $100 American Liberty Gold Coin 24,609 24,609
2019-P American Liberty Silver Medal 44,928 44,928
2018-W $10 American Liberty Gold Coin 69,881 69,909 28 0.04%
2017 American Liberty Silver Four-Medal Set* 32,647 32,647
2017-S Enhanced Uncirculated Coin Set* 210,419 210,419
2017-W $100 American Liberty Gold Coin 49,700 49,700
2017-P Proof American Liberty Silver Medal* 55,187 55,187

Clad Proof Sets

Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
2024 Proof Set 302,224 305,497 3,273 1.08%
2023 Proof Set* 369,233 369,233
2022 Proof Set* 400,001 400,001
2021 Proof Set* 512,866 512,866
2020 Proof Set* 464,730 464,730
2019 Proof Set* 601,364 601,364
2018 Proof Set* 517,081 517,081
2017 Proof Set* 568,678 568,678
2024 American Innovation Dollars Proof Set 52,251 52,550 299 0.57%
2023 American Innovation Dollars Proof Set 57,885 57,948 63 0.11%
2022 American Innovation Dollars Proof Set 82,093 82,131 38 0.05%
2021 American Innovation Dollars Proof Set 88,552 88,584 32 0.04%
2020 American Innovation Dollars Proof Set 108,407 108,407
2019 American Innovation Dollars Proof Set 149,892 149,892
2024 American Women Quarters Proof Set 44,373 44,631 258 0.58%
2023 American Women Quarters Proof Set 57,716 57,750 34 0.06%
2022 American Women Quarters Proof Set* 42,821 42,821
2020 America the Beautiful Quarters Proof Set* 64,242 64,242
2019 America the Beautiful Quarters Proof Set 84,697 84,697
2018 America the Beautiful Quarters Proof Set* 86,697 86,697

Silver Proof Sets

Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
2024 Silver Proof Set 148,022 148,919 897 0.61%
2023 Silver Proof Set 194,777 194,842 65 0.03%
2022 Silver Proof Set* 249,373 249,373
2021 Silver Proof Set* 306,045 305,864 -181 -0.06%
2020 Silver Proof Set* 313,183 313,183
2019 Silver Proof Set* 415,384 415,384
2018 Silver Proof Set* 332,273 332,273
2018 Silver Reverse Proof Set* 199,116 199,116
2024 American Women Quarters Silver Proof Set 32,968 33,024 56 0.17%
2023 American Women Quarters Silver Proof Set 45,630 45,643 13 0.03%
2022 American Women Quarters Silver Proof Set 57,724 57,724
2020 America the Beautiful Quarters Silver Proof Set* 64,012 64,012
2019 America the Beautiful Quarters Silver Proof Set* 78,588 78,588
2018 America the Beautiful Quarters Silver Proof Set* 79,301 79,301
2024 Congratulations Gift Set 25,343 25,381 38 0.15%
2023 Congratulations Gift Set 39,284 39,284
2022 Congratulations Gift Set 29,710 29,710
2021 Congratulations Gift Set* 39,997 39,997
2020 Congratulations Gift Set* 24,468 24,468
2019 Congratulations Gift Set* 31,638 31,638
2023 Limited Edition Silver Proof Set 27,835 27,671 -164 -0.59%
2022 Limited Edition Silver Proof Set 49,728 49,728
2021 Limited Edition Silver Proof Set 49,852 49,852
2020 Limited Edition Silver Proof Set* 50,061 50,061

US Mint Uncirculated Sets

Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
2024 Uncirculated Mint Set 140,831 142,126 1,295 0.92%
2023 Uncirculated Mint Set 184,246 184,254 8 0.00%
2022 Uncirculated Mint Set* 249,932 249,932
2021 Uncirculated Mint Set 231,859 231,927 68 0.03%
2020 Uncirculated Mint Set* 211,787 211,787
2019 Uncirculated Mint Set* 346,117 346,117
2018 Uncirculated Mint Set* 257,536 257,536
2017 Uncirculated Mint Set* 286,813 286,813

Kids Coin Sets

Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
2019 Youth Coin and Currency Set 24,889 24,889
2019 Explore and Discover Coin Set 44,937 44,959 22 0.05%
2019 Rocketship* 49,921 49,921
2014 Coin Discovery Set* 13,151 13,151

Ornaments

Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
2024 Mighty Minters Ornament 2,269 2,100 -169 -7.45%
2024 U.S. Mint Ornament 3,507 3,284 -223 -6.36%
2024 Rev. Dr. Pauli Murray Ornament 805 809 4 0.50%
2024 Patsy Takemoto Mink Ornament 822 828 6 0.73%
2024 Dr. Mary Edwards Walker Ornament 859 888 29 3.38%
2024 Celia Cruz Ornament 1,713 1,758 45 2.63%
2024 Zitkala-Ša Ornament 804 809 5 0.62%
2023 U.S. Mint Ornament 5,175 5,184 9 0.17%
2023 Mighty Minters Ornament 3,142 3,152 10 0.32%
2022 U.S. Mint Ornament 5,882 5,890 8 0.14%
2022 Mighty Minters Ornament 4,188 4,196 8 0.19%
2023 Bessie Coleman Ornament 1,280 1,287 7 0.55%
2023 Edith Kanakaʻole Ornament; 1,463 1,467 4 0.27%
2023 Eleanor Roosevelt Ornament 1,789 1,791 2 0.11%
2023 Jovita Idar Ornament 1,292 1,295 3 0.23%
2023 Maria Tallchief Ornament 1,517 1,520 3 0.20%
2022 Maya Angelou Ornament 3,387 3,389 2 0.06%
2022 Dr. Sally Ride Ornament 3,475 3,477 2 0.06%
2022 Wilma Mankiller Ornament 2,377 2,379 2 0.08%
2022 Nina Otero-Warren Ornament 1,856 1,858 2 0.11%
2022 Anna May Wong Ornament 3,317 3,319 2 0.06%
2021 Mighty Minters Ornament 4,821 4,821
2021 U.S. Mint Ornament 7,969 7,970 1 0.01%
2020 Mighty Minters Ornament 4,588 4,588
2020 U.S. Mint Ornament 6,712 6,713 1 0.01%
2019 Mighty Minters Ornament 7,105 7,105
2019 U.S. Mint Ornament 11,986 11,986

Proof & Reverse Proof Silver Eagles

Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
2024-S Proof Silver Eagle 114,708 115,203 495 0.43%
2024-S Proof Silver Eagle (Bulk – 40 Coins) 915 915
2024-W Proof Silver Eagle 273,796 274,268 472 0.17%
2024-W Proof Silver Eagle (Bulk – 40 Coins) 1,543 1,543
2023-S Proof Silver Eagle 182,186 182,233 47 0.03%
2023-S Proof Silver Eagle (Bulk – 40 Coins) 743 743
2022-S Proof Silver Eagle 199,698 199,698
2022-S Proof Silver Eagle (Bulk – 40 Coins) 2,925 2,925
2023-W Proof Silver Eagle 436,484 436,484
2023-W Proof Silver Eagle (Bulk – 40 Coins) 2,118 2,118
2022-W Proof Silver Eagle 496,994 496,994
2022-W Proof Silver Eagle (Bulk – 40 Coins) 4,171 4,171
2021 Reverse Proof American Silver Eagle Two-Coin Set* 124,916 124,916
2021-S Proof Silver Eagle, Type 2* 199,744 199,744
2021-S Proof Silver Eagle, Type 2 (Bulk – 40 Coins)* 652 652
2021-W Proof Silver Eagle, Type 2* 300,096 300,096
2021-W Proof Silver Eagle, Type 2 (Bulk – 40 Coins)* 2,142 2,142
2021-W Proof Silver Eagle, Type 1* 299,898 299,898
2021-W Proof Silver Eagle, Type 1 (Bulk – 40 Coins)* 686 686

Uncirculated Silver Eagles

Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
2024 92,201 92,305 104 0.11%
2023 139,366 139,401 35 0.03%
2022 172,838 172,878 40 0.02%
2022 Bulk 40 989 989
2021* 174,933 174,933
2021 Bulk 40* 324 324

2024 Proof American Eagle Gold Coins

Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
1 oz 3,041 3,071 30 0.99%
1/2 oz 1,485 1,496 11 0.74%
1/4 oz 4,752 4,769 17 0.36%
1/10 oz 8,157 8,250 93 1.14%
4-Coin Set 4,487 4,506 19 0.42%

2023 Proof American Eagle Gold Coins

Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
1 oz 6,478 6,478
1/2 oz 2,011 2,011
1/4 oz 4,492 4,492
1/10 oz 13,424 13,424
4-Coin Set 9,981 9,981

2022 Proof American Eagle Gold Coins

Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
1 oz 5,913 5,913
1/2 oz 1,970 1,970
1/4 oz 4,464 4,464
1/10 oz 13,806 13,806
4-Coin Set 9,906 9,906

Uncirculated American Eagle Gold Coins

Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
2024 2,585 2,595 10 0.39%
2023 6,486 6,489 3 0.05%
2022 8,899 8,900 1 0.01%
2021* 9,063 9,063
2020* 6,284 6,284
2019* 5,851 5,851

Proof American Buffalo Gold Coins

Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
2024 Proof Gold Buffalo 7,918 7,985 67 0.85%
2023 Proof Gold Buffalo 15,710 15,719 9 0.06%
2022 Proof Gold Buffalo 15,943 15,943
2021 Proof Gold Buffalo* 16,976 16,976
2020 Proof Gold Buffalo* 11,887 11,887
2019 Proof Gold Buffalo* 14,844 14,844

Barbara Bush First Spouse Gold Coins

Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
2020-W Proof 2,967 2,967
2020-W Uncirculated 1,969 1,969

Proof American Platinum Eagle

Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
2024 4,918 4,926 8 0.16%
2023 8,437 8,443 6 0.07%
2022 9,942 9,942
2021 9,884 9,884
2020 9,835 9,835
2019 11,268 11,268
2018 16,185 16,185
2017* 8,890 8,890

American Palladium Eagle

Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
2024-W Proof 2,855 2,898 43 1.51%
2023-W Uncirculated 5,770 5,776 6 0.10%
2022-W Reverse Proof 7,397 7,397
2021-W Proof 5,170 5,170
2020-W Uncirculated 9,746 9,746
2019-W Reverse Proof 18,839 18,839
2018-W Proof* 14,986 14,986

Presidential Silver Medals

Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
2024 Grover Cleveland Presidential Silver Medal 13,880 10,385 -3,495 -25.18%
2024 Chester A. Arthur Presidential Silver Medal 10,659 10,691 32 0.30%
2024 James A. Garfield Presidential Silver Medal 11,498 11,520 22 0.19%
2024 Rutherford B. Hayes Presidential Silver Medal 11,706 11,721 15 0.13%
2023 Ulysses S. Grant Presidential Silver Medal 13,697 13,703 6 0.04%
2023 Andrew Johnson Presidential Silver Medal 12,680 12,683 3 0.02%
2023 Abraham Lincoln Presidential Silver Medal 19,446 19,458 12 0.06%
2023 James Buchanan Presidential Silver Medal 12,464 12,466 2 0.02%
2021 Franklin Pierce Presidential Silver Medal 12,694 12,695 1 0.01%
2022 Millard Fillmore Presidential Silver Medal 12,805 12,807 2 0.02%
2022 Zachary Taylor Presidential Silver Medal 13,195 13,199 4 0.03%
2022 James Knox Polk Presidential Silver Medal 13,431 13,431
2021 John Tyler Presidential Silver Medal 13,818 13,819 1 0.01%
2021 William Henry Harrison Presidential Silver Medal 13,786 13,792 6 0.04%
2021 Martin Van Buren Presidential Silver Medal 13,924 13,931 7 0.05%
2020 Andrew Jackson Presidential Silver Medal 16,856 16,865 9 0.05%
2019 John Quincy Adams Presidential Silver Medal 14,997 15,001 4 0.03%
2019 James Monroe Presidential Silver Medal 15,457 15,461 4 0.03%
2019 James Madison Presidential Silver Medal 17,126 17,128 2 0.01%
2019 Thomas Jefferson Presidential Silver Medal 24,588 24,593 5 0.02%
2018 George Washington Presidential Silver Medal 35,752 35,767 15 0.04%
2018 John Adams Presidential Silver Medal 23,877 23,882 5 0.02%

American Innovation Reverse Proof Sets

Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
2023 39,069 39,118 49 0.13%
2022 49,792 49,792
2021 49,815 49,815

2024 American Innovation Dollars – Missouri

Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
25-coin roll set (P) 7,107 7,129 22 0.31%
25-coin roll set (D) 6,510 6,530 20 0.31%
100-coin bag (P) 2,835 2,843 8 0.28%
100-coin bag (D) 1,832 1,844 12 0.66%

2024 American Innovation Dollars – Maine

Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
25-coin roll set (P) 7,829 7,851 22 0.28%
25-coin roll set (D) 6,933 6,956 23 0.33%
100-coin bag (P) 2,688 2,698 10 0.37%
100-coin bag (D) 2,039 2,050 11 0.54%

2024 American Innovation Dollars – Alabama

Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
25-coin roll set (P) 8,384 8,384
25-coin roll set (D) 7,443 7,443
100-coin bag (P) 3,149 3,149
100-coin bag (D) 2,948 2,948

2024 American Innovation Dollars – Illinois

Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
25-coin roll set (P) 8,033 8,057 24 0.30%
25-coin roll set (D) 7,324 7,324
100-coin bag (P) 2,307 2,316 9 0.39%
100-coin bag (D) 2,308 2,318 10 0.43%

2023 American Innovation Dollars – Mississippi

Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
25-coin roll set (P) 7,953 7,953
25-coin roll set (D) 6,883 6,884 1 0.01%
100-coin bag (P) 2,299 2,304 5 0.22%
100-coin bag (D) 2,339 2,343 4 0.17%

2023 American Innovation Dollars – Indiana

Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
25-coin roll set (P) 8,022 8,022
25-coin roll set (D) 6,994 6,994
100-coin bag (P) 3,008 3,008
100-coin bag (D) 2,794 2,795 1 0.04%

2023 American Innovation Dollars – Louisiana

Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
25-coin roll set (P) 7,993 7,993
25-coin roll set (D) 6,990 6,990
100-coin bag (P) 2,971 2,971
100-coin bag (D) 2,750 2,750

2023 American Innovation Dollars – Ohio

Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
25-coin roll set (P) 8,016 8,016
25-coin roll set (D) 6,978 6,978
100-coin bag (P) 2,968 2,969 1 0.03%
100-coin bag (D) 2,744 2,746 2 0.07%

2022 American Innovation Dollars – Tennessee

Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
25-coin roll set (P) 7,014 7,014
25-coin roll set (D) 7,010 7,010
100-coin bag (P) 2,785 2,785
100-coin bag (D) 2,786 2,786

2022 American Innovation Dollars – Kentucky

Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
25-coin roll set (P) 7,009 7,009
25-coin roll set (D) 7,002 7,002
100-coin bag (P) 2,771 2,771
100-coin bag (D) 2,779 2,779

2022 American Innovation Dollars – Vermont

Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
25-coin roll set (P) 7,023 7,023
25-coin roll set (D) 7,011 7,011
100-coin bag (P) 2,787 2,787
100-coin bag (D) 2,778 2,779 1 0.04%

2022 American Innovation Dollars – Rhode Island

Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
25-coin roll set (P) 7,010 7,010
25-coin roll set (D) 7,007 7,007
100-coin bag (P) 2,789 2,789
100-coin bag (D) 2,787 2,787

2021 American Innovation Dollars – North Carolina

Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
25-coin roll set (P) 7,010 7,010
25-coin roll set (D) 7,018 7,018
100-coin bag (P) 2,789 2,789
100-coin bag (D) 2,790 2,790

2021 American Innovation Dollars – New York

Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
25-coin roll set (P) 7,006 7,006
25-coin roll set (D) 7,013 7,013
100-coin bag (P) 2,786 2,786
100-coin bag (D) 2,785 2,785

2021 American Innovation Dollars – Virginia

Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
25-coin roll set (P) 7,015 7,015
25-coin roll set (D) 7,010 7,010
100-coin bag (P) 2,796 2,796
100-coin bag (D) 2,786 2,786

2021 American Innovation Dollars – New Hampshire

Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
25-coin roll set (P) 7,017 7,017
25-coin roll set (D) 7,017 7,017
100-coin bag (P) 2,789 2,789
100-coin bag (D) 2,790 2,790

2020 American Innovation Dollars – South Carolina

Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
Reverse Proof (S) 43,227 43,243 16 0.04%
25-coin roll set (P) 6,378 6,378
25-coin roll set (D) 6,399 6,399
100-coin bag (P) 2,734 2,734
100-coin bag (D) 2,378 2,378

2020 American Innovation Dollars – Maryland

Old

Sales

Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
Reverse Proof (S) 49,852 49,852
25-coin roll set (P) 6,493 6,493
25-coin roll set (D) 6,471 6,471
100-coin bag (P) 2,725 2,725
100-coin bag (D) 2,737 2,737

2020 American Innovation Dollars – Massachusetts

Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
Reverse Proof (S) 49,785 49,785
25-coin roll set (P) 6,486 6,486
25-coin roll set (D) 6,481 6,481
100-coin bag (P) 2,746 2,746
100-coin bag (D) 2,744 2,744

2020 American Innovation Dollars – Connecticut

Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
Reverse Proof (S) 47,535 47,551 16 0.03%
25-coin roll set (P) 6,496 6,496
25-coin roll set (D) 6,425 6,425
100-coin bag (P) 2,736 2,736
100-coin bag (D) 2,747 2,747

2019 American Innovation Dollars – Georgia

Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
Reverse Proof (S) 47,851 47,866 15 0.03%
25-coin roll set (P) 8,092 8,092
25-coin roll set (D) 7,542 7,542
100-coin bag (P) 3,459 3,459
100-coin bag (D) 3,559 3,571 12 0.34%

2019 American Innovation Dollars – New Jersey

Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
Reverse Proof (S) 52,571 52,588 17 0.03%
25-coin roll set (P) 9,103 9,103
25-coin roll set (D) 8,043 8,043
100-coin bag (P) 3,941 3,941
100-coin bag (D) 3,586 3,586

2019 American Innovation Dollars – Pennsylvania

Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
Reverse Proof (S) 56,008 56,020 12 0.02%
25-coin roll set (P) 10,458 10,458
25-coin roll set (D) 8,536 8,536
100-coin bag (P) 3,689 3,689
100-coin bag (D) 3,055 3,055

2019 American Innovation Dollars – Delaware

Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
Reverse Proof (S) 71,349 71,360 11 0.02%
25-coin roll set (P) 9,108 9,108
25-coin roll set (D) 8,372 8,372
100-coin bag (P) 3,203 3,203
100-coin bag (D) 3,385 3,385

2018 American Innovation Dollars

Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
Reverse Proof (S)* 74,720 74,720
Proof Coin (S) 255,448 255,448
25-coin roll set (P) 22,902 22,902
25-coin roll set (D) 25,725 25,725
100-coin bag (P)* 2,935 2,935
100-coin bag (D)* 2,954 2,954

George H.W. Bush Coin & Chronicles Set

Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
$1 Coin & Set 11,521 11,521

2020 Bush Presidential $1 Coin & First Spouse Medal Set

Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
$1 Coin & Set 9,876 9,876

2020 George H.W. Bush Presidential $1 Coins

Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
25-coin roll (P) 24,922 24,922
25-coin roll (D) 24,793 24,848 55 0.22%
100-coin bag (P) 2,695 2,695
100-coin bag (D) 2,098 2,098
250-coin bag (P) 4,173 4,178 5 0.12%
250-coin bag (D) 5,482 5,487 5 0.09%

Native American Dollar Rolls

Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
2024-P Native American $1 25 Coin Roll 13,823 13,913 90 0.65%
2024-D Native American $1 25 Coin Roll 13,247 13,322 75 0.57%
2024-P Native American $1 100-Coin Bag 1,746 1,746
2024-D Native American $1 100-Coin Bag 1,846 1,846
2024-P Native American $1 250-Coin Box 1,089 1,094 5 0.46%
2024-D Native American $1 250-Coin Box 1,109 1,122 13 1.17%
2023-P Native American $1 25 Coin Roll 13,922 13,922
2023-D Native American $1 25 Coin Roll 13,954 13,954
2023-P Native American $1 100-Coin Bag 1,695 1,695
2023-D Native American $1 100-Coin Bag 1,694 1,694
2023-P Native American $1 250-Coin Box 1,663 1,670 7 0.42%
2023-D Native American $1 250-Coin Box 1,618 1,618
2022-P Native American $1 25 Coin Roll 13,996 13,996
2022-D Native American $1 25 Coin Roll 13,965 13,965
2022-P Native American $1 100-Coin Bag 1,699 1,699
2022-D Native American $1 100-Coin Bag 1,614 1,614
2022-P Native American $1 250-Coin Box 1,698 1,698
2022-D Native American $1 250-Coin Box 1,699 1,699

Kennedy Half Dollar Rolls

Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
2024-dated 200-coin bag (P&D) 7,340 7,491 151 2.06%
2024-dated 2-roll set (P&D) 26,255 26,258 3 0.01%
2023-dated 200-coin bag (P&D) 11,166 11,166
2023-dated 2-roll set (P&D) 24,987 24,987
2022-dated 200-coin bag (P&D) 10,999 10,999
2022-dated 2-roll set (P&D) 21,926 21,926
2021-dated 200-coin bag (P&D)* 9,976 9,976
2021-dated 2-roll set (P&D)* 21,989 21,989
2020-dated 200-coin bag (P&D)* 11,776 11,776
2020-dated 2-roll set (P&D)* 24,312 24,312
2019-dated 200-coin bag (P&D)* 11,534 11,534
2019-dated 2-roll set (P&D)* 24,132 24,132

2024 Celia Cruz Quarters

  Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
Three-Roll Set 12,477 12,565 88 0.71%
100-Coin Bag (P) 3,620 3,664 44 1.22%
100-Coin Bag (D) 2,113 2,135 22 1.04%
Two-Roll Set 5,261 5,336 75 1.43%

2024 Dr. Mary Edwards Walker Quarters

  Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
Three-Roll Set 10,642 10,661 19 0.18%
100-Coin Bag (P) 1,338 1,348 10 0.75%
100-Coin Bag (D) 1,120 1,125 5 0.45%
Two-Roll Set 2,465 2,484 19 0.77%

2024 Patsy Takemoto Mink Quarters

  Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
Three-Roll Set 11,326 11,346 20 0.18%
100-Coin Bag (P) 1,553 1,564 11 0.71%
100-Coin Bag (D) 1,267 1,269 2 0.16%
Two-Roll Set 2,750 2,754 4 0.15%

2024 Rev. Dr. Pauli Murray Quarters

  Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
Three-Roll Set 12,152 12,164 12 0.10%
100-Coin Bag (P) 1,863 1,873 10 0.54%
100-Coin Bag (D) 1,485 1,489 4 0.27%
Two-Roll Set 2,986 2,987 1 0.03%

2023 Maria Tallchief Quarters

  Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
Three-Roll Set 12,555 12,555
100-Coin Bag (P) 2,079 2,083 4 0.19%
100-Coin Bag (D) 1,777 1,779 2 0.11%
Two-Roll Set 3,612 3,616 4 0.11%

2023 Jovita Idar Quarters

  Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
Three-Roll Set 12,596 12,596
100-Coin Bag (P) 4,044 4,049 5 0.12%
100-Coin Bag (D) 3,623 3,628 5 0.14%
Two-Roll Set 3,933 3,945 12 0.31%

2023 Eleanor Roosevelt Quarters

  Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
Three-Roll Set 12,678 12,678
100-Coin Bag (P) 4,332 4,333 1 0.02%
100-Coin Bag (D) 3,982 3,982
Two-Roll Set 4,582 4,586 4 0.09%

2023 Edith Kanakaʻole Quarters

  Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
Three-Roll Set 12,585 12,585
100-Coin Bag (P) 7,369 7,375 6 0.08%
100-Coin Bag (D) 4,590 4,592 2 0.04%
Two-Roll Set 5,821 5,825 4 0.07%

2023 Bessie Coleman Quarters

  Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
Three-Roll Set 12,509 12,509
100-Coin Bag (P) 5,667 5,669 2 0.04%
100-Coin Bag (D) 4,957 4,958 1 0.02%
Two-Roll Set 5,972 5,976 4 0.07%

2022 Anna May Wong Quarters

  Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
Three-Roll Set 7,617 7,617
100-Coin Bag (P) 1,860 1,860
100-Coin Bag (D) 1,858 1,858
Two-Roll Set 5,936 5,936

2022 Nina Otero-Warren Quarters

  Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
Three-Roll Set 7,639 7,639
100-Coin Bag (P) 1,856 1,856
100-Coin Bag (D) 1,858 1,858
Two-Roll Set 5,890 5,890

2022 Wilma Mankiller Quarters

  Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
Three-Roll Set 7,616 7,616
100-Coin Bag (P) 1,859 1,859
100-Coin Bag (D) 1,833 1,833
Two-Roll Set 5,918 5,918

2022 Dr. Sally Ride Quarters

  Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
Three-Roll Set 7,603 7,603
100-Coin Bag (P) 1,854 1,854
100-Coin Bag (D) 1,852 1,852
Two-Roll Set 5,926 5,926

2022 Maya Angelou Quarters

  Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
Three-Roll Set 7,588 7,588
100-Coin Bag (P) 1,858 1,858
100-Coin Bag (D) 1,861 1,861
Two-Roll Set 5,940 5,940

 

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Kaiser Wilhelm

So far just under 2/3 of the published 75,000 mintage of the Flowing Hair Silver Medals have been released in total and roughly 18% of those went to Authorized Bulk (aka Advance) Purchasers. It’s no wonder there aren’t enough to go around! What we now have here as a result is an artificially scarce item made even more so thanks to the withholding of fully 1/3 of its previously announced mintage.

Antonio

So much for no Advance releases. I doubt any individuals, not dealers, received a privy medal.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Antonio,

Even if an individual got one he’s sold it to a dealer by now who will sell it on for a healthy profit.

East Coast Guru

Off topic a bit. 2024 Unc eagles still below 100k mintage. As long as silver medals are the forefront of the conversation, when are the 2.5oz Space Program medals coming out?

Kaiser Wilhelm

East Coast Guru,

It appears the preference for Proofs keeps those ASE’s at the top of sales tallies year after year, but the Uncirculated Burnished ASEs seem to have the advantage when it comes to lower mintages. Just sayin’.

By the way, are those awaited 2.5oz medals Space Program or Space Force?

Antonio

Seeing that although the most coins were minted by the U.S. Mint for 2024 compared to previous years, and almost none are found in circulation, I decided to buy the uncirculated and proof sets so at least I have 2024 dated coins for all the mints. Looks like the uncirculated sets are the lowest issued in a number of years, at least since 2017.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Antonio,

You can never go wrong with picking up a Proof Set and an Uncirculated Set every year; after all, these are the bedrock products of the Mint. I suppose the annual Silver Proof Set is part of that category but as its price becomes ever more unreasonable I have found it difficult to justify picking it up at all; in fact, I’ve skipped it the last two years.

John Q. Coinage

I got so many mint sets, worthless for any profit 95% of the time…..

Kaiser Wilhelm

John Q. Coinage,

I understand that to be the case but for collecting purposes I still pick them up anyway. Besides, if I wasn’t buying those two sets I wouldn’t be buying much of anything anymore since just about everything else is now either priced as too costly for me or I’ve simply lost interest in the product.

Antonio

I received my sets Saturday (October 26). I also have the silver 2024 AWQs. Can’t beat those for beauty. I only buy the other sets, occasionally. I’m mostly focusing on the ASEs and Morgan and Peace Dollars. The Flowing Hair Silver Medal was an exception.

CaliSkier

You just can not trust the US Mint, as like the majority of the government agencies and elected officials, they “say one thing” and “do completely another”! The US Mint states re: the Authorized Bulk Purchase Program(ABPP) on March 19, 2021: “Not all Mint products will be offered through this program, and no more than 10% of products with limited quantities will be distributed under this program.” Let’s say the US Mint produced and released all 75,000 of the 2024 Flowing Hair Silver Medals. With the 8,926 released to or through the ABPP channel, this equates to 11.9%. Last time… Read more »

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Antonio

As stated in the Mint’s own press release, “This product is included in the Mint’s Authorized Bulk Purchase Program (ABPP). Products listed in the ABPP will be eligible for early release, carry an AB suffix in the product code, and carry a premium.” Also, “The Mint will open sales for the 230th Anniversary Flowing Hair High Relief Gold Coin on November 14. In addition, the Mint will auction a select number of these companion gold coins to the public. Details will be announced in the coming weeks.” So not all coins will immediately be sold to the public, some will… Read more »

East Coast Guru

What’s the reason for the gold flowing hair auction? Is that to get an advanced release label? Special privy on those coins. A genuine Gibson autograph?

Kaiser Wilhelm

East Coast Guru and Antonio,

I wonder if this will be just the first of many of the US Mint’s Magic Mike “Sold Out – Limited Edition” Mezack Auctions?

Kia99

I’m sure the mint sees the prices their coins are selling for on ebay and wants a piece of that action. Why should they go to the work to make the coin and only get $3700 (or 104 dollars for silver) when someone else can resell it with a few clicks for so much more? I wouldn’t be surprised it some of the accounts selling FHSM are actually run by the mint. Got to off-set the penny and commemorative deficit somehow.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Kia99,

I realize that these days it might be all too easy and perhaps even tempting to go there, but I would suggest that the Mint has more than enough internal shenanigans going on; it doesn’t have any need to involve itself in illegal public indulgences. After all, the Mint already works with its shifty professional flippers aka big dealers to land the costs of its operations on the shoulders of average individual customers while also helping to prep them for the predations of the usuriously overcharging secondary marketeers.

John Q. Coinage

Kaiser I’m likely to try for the FH Au COIN, JUST to be able to come here and relate that the USM website is still a cluster. But, Catch22 that’s why I fired the mint years ago…..hmmm,

Kaiser Wilhelm

John Q. Coinage,

That does appear to represent a bit of a conundrum, but what after all is such a paradox but an impossibly irresistible invitation to overcome obstacles by wilfully resisting all logic?

Antonio

The gold proof American Buffalo might be a good alternative. It has a lower mintage and only half of the product limit have been sold. This one may be a sleeper in the future. If only I had $3,640 to spare. Then again, I’d also take a shot at the gold FH high relief proof dollar. Oh what could have been. 😀

John Q. Coinage

I have Buffalos even the over populated’13 Rev Proof. & some fractionals. No FH gold, A Seated Liberty Au w First Spouse….. what’s to do….USM good way overpriced but I’ve been screaming for something like the FH for years, and STELLA$

Kaiser Wilhelm

John Q. Coinage,

Gold is sure nice to have because it’s a great color, it’s solid and it’s shiny, but you can’t breathe, drink, or eat it so we ought to keep in mind its limitations in the event of the zombie wars.

Antonio

Good choice STELLA$

Kaiser Wilhelm

Antonio,

I had to smile when I read “Oh what could have been” because that may well be applicable to how so many of us feel at times, myself included. Not to mention “If only”, another such expression that clearly has rather widespread, even general usage. Unfortunately, either or both of those exclamations and $4.95 or so might get you all of a mediocre cup of coffee.

Antonio

I believe you would have been quite satisfied with a FH Silver Medal of your own. At $229 on ebay, you would have made $125 right away. Then again, I believe you would have been quite content with the medal’s beauty.

Rich

Who knew the Flowing Hair Silver Medal was to be offered for (early) bulk sales through the Authorized Bulk Purchase Program before the October 15 launch date, which ended up accounting for 8,926 sales (especially in light of the extremely limited number of privy medals and privy medals with signed numbered COAs being thrown in the mix). Although I should have figured it out based on all the pre-sale Advance Release labels being advertised. How nice of the Mint to announce such Bulk sales in an October 16th press release the next day after the initial release on October 15th.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Rich,

However many of those 8,926 dealer-only advance purchase sales ended up having Privy Marks and possibly even Signed COAs, that is how many of those medals that are now costing collectors $10,000 and up to purchase as opposed to the $104 they could otherwise have gotten them for from the Mint.

Antonio

Well, well, well. This product is included in the Mint’s Authorized Bulk Purchase Program (ABPP). Products listed in the ABPP will be eligible for early release, carry an AB suffix in the product code, and carry a premium. Early released products are not eligible for discounts. Note: To ensure that all members of the public have fair and equal access to United States Mint products, the United States Mint will not accept and will not honor orders placed prior to the official on-sale date of October 15, 2024, at noon EDT. Do they or don’t they? Since we’re not eligible… Read more »

Kaiser Wilhelm

Antonio,

I believe the Mint operates on the governing principle of “fool us once, shame on us” followed by “fool us twice, we’re even bigger suckers.”

Kaiser Wilhelm

CaliSkier,

The government bureaucracy seems to answer to no one, so this is just more SOP.

Kaiser Wilhelm

CaliSkier,

I wouldn’t be at all surprised if the Mint is purposely holding off on the balance of the 75,000 FH Mintage for the benefit of the Big Dealers at least until they are able to sell off their entire current inventories at the highest possible prices. In fact, there may be no further FH Medals minted at all in order to cement the viability of the current outrageous prices in place.

Rick

Perhaps that was then and this is now.?.And maybe the ABPP had nothing to do with selling these Medals? And instead it was the Numismatic Bulk Purchase Program (NBPP) who has no 10% limit?

“#9. Bulk purchaser customers are able to purchase any product available in any quantity (subject to household limits).

“Updated as of 7/7/21”

The “Bulk Purchase Agreement Form PDF” is a good read found on the Mint page below.
https://catalog.usmint.gov/bulk-purchase-program-landing.html#numismatic

PS: these bulk programs are designed to help distribute products more efficiently to the public. Not too sure what all the fuss is about around here?

Kaiser Wilhelm

Rick,

As stated in the Mint’s own press release, “This product [2024 Flowing Hair Silver Medal] is included in the Mint’s Authorized Bulk Purchase Program (ABPP). Products listed in the ABPP will be eligible for early release, carry an AB suffix in the product code, and carry a premium.”

I seems it was the ABPP that applied to this program and not the NBPP, which from several readings of its documentation I could find no mention of eligibility for its use with the 2024 Flowing Hair Silver Medal and/or Gold Coin program.

Rick

Me too, but what I did find interesting was the following statement within the NBPP statement …
“The Mint may, at any time, add new coin programs to the Numismatic Bulk Purchase Program as they are approved and made available.”
And there goes that 10% cap on big boy buys, ohh the humanity! Now no one can buy one fair and square !?!

Now I sound like one of those wacky Mint/TPG Truthers lolol. Silly me!

Last edited 1 month ago by Rick
John Q. Coinage

Credibility is,not a forte’ at the Mint. Not for years. Basically it’s their game, Ventris’ balllz and if u no likey u can go…..

Rick

Maybe so JQC..
Would she catch an Ohtani Grand Slam ball for a walk off title, then give the ball to the little kid? That’s what I thought..
Go Dodgers!

Last edited 1 month ago by Rick
Kaiser Wilhelm

Rick,

Once again you cut to the quick, my friend. Now I see that this allows the Mint to grant not one but two sizeable exceptions to any rules it pretends to have, one for the ABPP and the other for the NBPP. The Mint can put aside for the two kinds of Bulk (read “Advance”) Purchasers well over 20% of whatever number of coins or medals that have been produced so far as any given part of the eventual “Mintage Limit”. No wonder the Big Dealers can dominate the secondary market so easily!

Rick

Luckily for me and everyone else who wanted a medal, and I mean everyone had a chance that day(24 hours) to buy their one medal with no problems.
No one was left out and the mint did it right this time.

John Q. Coinage

I agree so Rick. I passed the Au has more allure at my stage. Dodger tickets super expensive a v75 Au for a filed no of 4…. SRO @ Yankee Stadium $1,600

Rick

I bought the Ag looking for the privy like everyone else, I’ll know what I have in the bubble baggie later. Maybe I’ll be shocked and someone on this site gets one?
Sports tickets are too much $$ like the salaries are. Maybe we’ll see Ventris behind Home Plate, or First Pitch lol..
At my stage, sports are better to watch on TV, or not at all sometimes.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Rick,

I was deterred from going to any more live sports events many years ago when it had become too difficult to be able to put up with the interminable wait for the “mens’ facilities”.

Antonio

Those privy marked medals are all going for thousands of dollars. I even saw a non privy mark medal offered for $1,000.

East Coast Guru

I’ll sell mine for $1k.

Kaiser Wilhelm

East Coast Guru and Antonio,

If you can get $1,000 for a plain FH Medal then do so; why let everyone else reap the benefits of this scheme?

Antonio

Ah, I’ll take that gamble.

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John Q. Coinage

That Poster was in my room!!!

Kaiser Wilhelm

Antonio,

By George, that’s the spirit! And we know that guy liked his “spirits”!

CaliSkier

Deep in the leviathan of comments from a comment I posted 6 days ago, VinnyC wrote 2 days ago: “VanHalen on Collector’s Universe reports a finned rim on on of his Flowing Hair medal. https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1107672/u-s-mint-2024-lottery-230th-anniversary-flowing-hair-silver-medal/p14 Thanks Vinny! Also the same commenter(VanHalen) wrote and added additional pictures later indicating tool marks on the edge of the coin as well. I’m wondering if those are possible marks left by the friction created against the die collar. Outside guess, is that the finning was created by a slightly tilted die, perhaps maybe an imperfect inconsistently thick planchet(?) or possibly too much die pressure.… Read more »

CaliSkier

For any that may have questions or would like to know more about the term “finning”, see the below link at Error-ref dot com, Presented by Mike Diamond, with noted Consulting Editors Fred Weinberg and Jon Sullivan, with additional editors, BJ Neff, JC Stevens, Will Brooks, Jason Cuvelier, Jeff Ylitalo, Shane Daniel, and Consulting Editor/Web Master Peter Lukic. PS The bottom of the linked page has a glossary of striking errors and index of the “what’s what” regarding the many, many, many error types produced while striking coins.

https://www.error-ref.com/?s=Finning

Kaiser Wilhelm

CaliSkier,

I am not about to take issue in any way with the out of context occasion of someone having found a finned rim and/or whatever else on any one of these already ridiculously overpriced FH Silver Medals. However, if the ultimate result of that, whatever the source of said defect, is a further driving up of already clearly usurious pricing levels then the sales of this FH Silver Medal will have embarked on a trajectory the likes of which is undoubtedly among the most unusual in the annals of numismatic salesmanship.

Rick

This coin(below),I sent in for a first strike(mint sealed)label and grade.
When I got it back I was super happy about the 70 grade but I was taken aback by the deep outer rim on the upper half of the reverse. The straight-on photo doesn’t do justice on that extra tall thin rim fin up there. I sort of felt lucky for the 70 grade. But, the rest of the coin looks really good..

Super hi-rez photo for the finger zoomers out there…
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Rick

Cali,
I agree on all of those points you made about the collar marks, and the possible cause of the finning on that medal.

CaliSkier

CaliSkier

Thanks for the picture and congrats on the 70 Rick. I’ve read, where some that have received finned coins or medals, in capsules, have noted that the capsule either doesn’t close completely or end up being a tilted/unseated, allowing for the coin or medal to possibly fall out of the capsule when handling. Guess you won’t have to worry about that, now that yours is held securely in your PCGS Gold Shield w/TrueView PF70 holder!. Beautiful coin, again thanks for sharing! BTW this Liberty and Britannia design has grown on me and as you mentioned previously, assuredly looks even better… Read more »

Rick

Thanks,
I think the FH Gold will look like this with the familiar PF contrasting going on?..
But better because of being a less crowded coin. No initials, no MM, just a great old classic design with some cool edge lettering…
Frosty Gold devices and Black DCAM fields. We’ll see!

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VinnieC

I always wonder if I should do a nested reply or a new comment. That wasn’t an option with MNB. Sometimes on a high traffic day neither matters and my comment get buried in obscurity no matter what I do.

Domenic Vaiasicca

Finally received mine today…..very pretty coin(medal) ..alas…no privy…. still i’m keeping it.

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Rick

Thanks for sharing Dom!..

Antonio

I’m glad I purchased one, with or without the privy mark.
I’m going to see if mine has a finned rim. I know the edge doesn’t look smooth.
Checking the first link above, I see one individual did receive a privy mark medal, no signed COA though. There’s hope yet.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Domenic Vaiasicca,

I would say that you yourself are “privy” to knowledge not everyone has, that what you might think you want is not necessarily as important as what you already have.

REB

Interestingly, no privy mark sales are referenced in the sales numbers above. Is that always the case? I thought the Negro League baseball privy mark coin got its own sales line.

CaliSkier

Reb, the reason for the Negro Leagues Proof Privy Silver Dollar having its own sales line, is that although it was counted against the 400,000 mintage limit, it was given a unique item number of 22CS vs the regular proof dollar, identified with 22CK. There wasn’t a stand alone option/ability to order a 2024 Privy marked Flowing Hair Silver Medal and no individual or unique item number allowing for tracking. Therefore, there’s no reported sales number reported allowing for differentiation on the Flowing Har silver medals with privy mark. Link below to the Mint press release, re: “United States Mint… Read more »

REB

Thanks for the info, Caliskier.

VinnieC

Assuming a huge portion of the PCGS graded 230 privy medals are from the ABP ( I got my non-privy FH on Saturday and can’t imagine getting it graded so fast) and assuming the 8,926 ABP medal followed the 2.4% proportion (i.e. about 214 privy medals) 91 or 42% have already been graded by PCGS. Maybe some of my assumptions are wrong.

Kaiser Wilhelm

VinnieC,

Considering how opaque much of what we get as “information” from the Mint appears to be, your assumptions can be assumed to be as correct as anyone’s.

Rick

Any Mint customer(non dealer)can get his privy medal graded and posted on PCGS(on day 2-3 if lucky), and in hand in about a 10 days after the purchase if he were to overnight the medal($100), and pay $150 extra to get it to the front of the line using the walkthrough service. I would do that if I were to get lucky, and if I wished to flip it quickly.

Last edited 1 month ago by Rick
VinnieC

On the other blog Goldbully was citing PCGS Population reports every few days. From Oct 17 -22 The population was 72. I checked on Oct 23. Maybe the ABP number is closer to 72. I have not mound the NGC population.

Rick

My guess would be that the NGC population is higher.
I wonder what the 70 vs 69 grades will end up being? The finish looks to be forgiving. The First strike 70 Privy medal will be money imo. I might send in my sealed Mint bubble bag along with some other goodies?

sharks2th

New? mint website notice I just noticed today:

Our new and improved website is coming! While we transition, the site will be temporarily unavailable from 10 pm ET 10/29 to 1 am 10/30

AKBob

I finally received my Medal today and it was in the plastic bag too. No Privy ;( I will sell it on EBay as I don’t want to send it back to the Mint. I only purchased it for a chance at a Privy and/or signed COA and it was a miss, I lost, in a way, at least I’ve got a Medal to show for it, lol. I had already purchased a PCGS PR70 on a Pre Sale on Ebay so I didn’t really need another one as I do not collect Medals other than the Medals that go… Read more »

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2024 Pricing of Numismatic Gold, Commemorative Gold, Platinum, and Palladium Products Grid..,

New grid pricing coming.., per Federal Register, stand by for more joy!

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Premium on FHG – $1,050

FHG Pricing (at this week’s London’s average weekly spot) –

$3,750

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So.., come 14 November – IF the London’s average weekly spot is $2,750 to $2,800..,

FHG Price = $3,800

With a week of AU spot consolidation, and then a solid pop of 4.2%, taking the AU spot to $2,855’ish (for a week to become the new London average).., it’s possible, perhaps minimal, that the FHG could list for $3,900

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New pricing grid –

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AKBob

KCSO, Well now, with a $1050 premium on an oz of gold, that’s the nail in the coffin for me. The premium the Mint is charging is ridiculous. The Mint expects coin collectors to bankroll the institution and I’m NOT going to play their game any longer. I do not have any plans of purchasing coins in the future. I will only purchase from the Mint if I think there’s an opportunity for a quick “Flip”! I will end it with my last purchase for me will be the GFH. I’m done collecting the American Liberty Series. It saddens me… Read more »

Antonio

The plus side is the premium for you. Considering that the average for the silver medal is $125 over the $104 price for the medal, how much more over the price of the gold coin do you think you can get? +$4,000? Just something to mull over.

Antonio

Say after they’re sold out, they’re available for $6,000. Not a bad return.

AKBob

Wow, has the Medal already fizzled out? No comments for…………..? I saw a Best Offer accepted on a Privy w/signed COA#10 (low COA # too) and the Buy It Now was lowered to $8500. The Seller accepted the Best Offer. I think we’ll start seeing those Signed COA’s start coming back down to reality. Then you’ll start seeing the ones with only the Privy start coming back to reality. Why isn’t anyone commenting any longer? Is it because everyone’s waiting for the Gold Flowing Hair to be released? I’m not surprised at the silence, after all, it’s a Medal NOT… Read more »

Rick

AKBob, It’s probably FHS comment burnout as opposed to silence. Also, only about five people have commented on the medal more than one time. Everyone was excited about it, until they didn’t get a privy that is. But, several collectors here bought it to keep it, privy or not because it’s actually very nice, coin or medal.. Yes it’s fizzling down no doubt, but then again those prices around 10K were/are ridiculous. I seriously doubt that anyone bought a privy with a COA for 10K, nor will they in the future imo, but I could be wrong!. I have no… Read more »

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Rick,

I was just thinking how very exhausting it might be to always remain the calm and calculated voice of reason, but then what would I know about that? 😉

As for me, if I didn’t go slightly haywire or at least somewhat bananas a good part of every day I’m not sure I would be able to make it through the week! 🙂

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AKBob

Rick, I think we’re pretty close on our predictions in regards to the FHS. I think this Medal could easily be at $1K +-$200. I too, wouldn’t mind having one with the Privy. I actually really like this Medal. I don’t collect them unless they go with one of the Gold Liberty coins. If I didn’t collect the Gold Liberty Series I’m fairly confident I’d have purchased this one. It’s a cool Coin, I mean Medal! Dam, if it was only a coin, I’d be doing backflips, lol! I truly like it. I may keep my one in OGP after… Read more »

Antonio

You could always imagine it has edge lettering, as the original. You can’t see it in the plastic case.

Craig

Has anyone here received a privy marked coin, I mean medal, or one with a signed COA? I wonder what the odds are of getting both in your order. If I had placed an order for this, it would be really, really, really slim to none. I’m also curious as to why someone would shell out $9K plus for the medal with the privy mark. Does anyone think it’ll be a $15-20K item in 5 years? FOMO can sure wreak havoc with one’s finances! It sure is fun to watch however!

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Craig,

I’ve been collecting coins for close to seventy years now and I have to say in all that time this is by far one of the oddest occurrences regarding the hobby I have ever encountered. I am truly baffled as to why so much money, effort and time are being devoted to the Mint’s Flowing Hair silver medal. Doubtless lots of folks can come up with a variety of reasons for this surprising brouhaha, but practical justifications as such will hardly suffice to fully explain what’s really behind this singular phenomenon.

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Craig

Kaiser, So, I guess no one here has received any of the privy marked medals or the signed COA. I’m not at all surprised and only grateful that I don’t fall for these ‘get rich quick’ schemes. It is bewildering as to how folks will spend thousands on a modern medal just because a few are pressed with a privy mark. The smart money sure doesn’t have any problem taking it from the folks P.T. Barnum referenced in that famous quote of his. As I’ve said before, if it was made as a coin, I’d consider buying one as I… Read more »

Kaiser Wilhelm

Craig,

Those are some very pertinent points there, my friend. This is after all a medal which is effectively and ordinarily the requisite consolation prize for those of us who can’t afford the gold version. However, in this instance the P.T. Barnumesque Mint wizards have figured out how to squeeze gold sized money out of what are customarily silver buyers. Simply brilliant!

Antonio

It is a nice looking medal. The obverse looks nearly high relief.

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Human psychology..,  One can only speculate,  Over the past 18 years, it’s been fascinating to watch people, the community, talking heads poo poo silver when it could be had for $14.25, or $17 on the cyclical pull backs, or gold at $1,150, or $1,400..,  Though AFTER PM’s run a solid 10-20%.., then folks have a fever to buy anything not nailed down….  WRT the FHS, I can only speculate that still too much $ sloshing around, pent up demand for something unique among a field of current, and very stale, mint offerings.., and the animal spirits of PM fever when… Read more »

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Kaiser Wilhelm

KC&SO,

Human psychology: that which makes us question our sounder thinking and wilfully repeat our errors in judgment.

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The Gold Pricing grid has been updated, and the premium on the FHG is $1,040, not $1,050 as indicated in the FR pre-announcement yesterday, Therefore, at today’s AU London fix average, FHS = $3,740, Should the average AU London fix notch above $2,750 for the week prior to 14 Nov, then $3,790 At that price point, $10, $20, $50 here or there, just seems like in the noise, I joined the coin collecting community in 2006 with my first very proud purchase a gold Proof Buffalo.., for $800, my we’ve come a looonngggg way…. My big one regret, watching the… Read more »

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Rich

KCSO, thanks for the notification on the new Mint Pricing Range Table that now includes the Flowing Hair 1 oz 24k Gold coin. Here is the Mint’s premium pricing per oz over spot for their numismatic gold, platinum and palladium 1 oz coins (using an averaging scheme based on the $25 mid-point product price) — Current US Mint premium price per oz over spot, numismatic gold, platinum and palladium: Flowing Hair 1 oz 24k Gold = $1,015 Liberty & Britannia 1 oz 24k Gold = $995 American Liberty 1 oz 24k Gold = $940 American Buffalo Proof 1 oz 24k… Read more »

Kaiser Wilhelm

Rich,

I can honestly say I’m happy to be spared the stress of the Mint’s precious metal premium overcharges by not even becoming a participant in the game.

Sam-I-am

Kaiser, I’m with you on this. I stopped buying anything from the USM after the 2021 Morgan/Peace debacle. I haven’t seen anything yet to change my mind.

I’ve bought other coins, just not from the USM.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Sam-I-am,

I can’t help but believe that we are but part of an ever growing number of formerly avid Mint customers for whom that increasingly less august institution has relinquished its original prime position in regard to providing coins and/or medals for our personal collections.

Kaiser Wilhelm

KC&SO,

If it’s any consolation we all leave this world with the same amount of gold, namely none.

Antonio

Wasn’t that a great price for that proof W Gold Buffalo? I have one myself. The following year the price jumped and the party was over. It’s a beautiful coin.

John Q. Coinage

Perhaps the unsold medals are just being checked out by the authorized buyers to “decide”….0r bought scanned and returned…

Kaiser Wilhelm

JQC,

So shall it be written, so shall it be done.

Antonio

The Judge has spoken, Judge Wilhelm. 😀

SteelyEyed

A 25% drop in Grover Cleveland medals? Are the bulk buyers looking for high grades and returning the rest?

Kaiser Wilhelm

SteelyEyed,

That’s what they always do, as in standard operating procedure. The name of the game.

REB

Will the Flowing Hair gold dollar be the lowest denomination gold coin ever?

Kaiser Wilhelm

REB,

Until the introduction of the One Penny Gold Micro-Coin, quite likely so.

Rich

REB, the lowest denomination (face value) US Mint gold coin is the 2016-W 10C (1/10 oz) Gold Mercury Dime coin.

REB

Good catch, Rich. Thanks for the info. That one slipped by me as it was not a proof strike. But it’s a pretty coin nevertheless.

E 1

I have a niece. Her name is “Liberty.” So, I gave her my 2024 FHS No Privy Metal. She was over the moon with it. She said she would keep it forever.

Cheers

Antonio

E 1,
You have a legacy there.

AKBob

Nice!! Good on You! 😉

Kaiser Wilhelm

E 1,

I would say you hit that one out of the park. Good heart, great intent, wonderful result.

Foxman69

Wondering if Mint is holding back silver Flowing Hair to create a 2-coin set containing a silver and gold FH?

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My thoughts exactly.., thanks for throwing the idea out there, at least now I know I’m not alone…. We could see some more prives out it, something different, Mint is going to auction off some of the golds in some special public auction.., therefore some have to have some bait attached to them, let’s see… – Signed numbers COA (1-100 ? ) – Special Privy or ‘230’ privy like the FHS – Edge stamped privy or production numbered, like the first 20 get their # stamped on the edge Thinking they would need to do something special though, than just… Read more »

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Press Release – 16 Oct:

“The Mint will open sales for the 230th Anniversary Flowing Hair High Relief Gold Coin on November 14. In addition, the Mint will auction a select number of these companion gold coins to the public. Details will be announced in the coming weeks.”

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USM is at Whitman in Baltimore, 14 Nov.., may be that’s where they plan to conduct this auction..,

If so, it’ll turn into another “Pandemonium” event like Chicago when the gold JFK was released….

Kaiser Wilhelm

Keep Calm & Stack On,

It would probably behoove the Mint to have the FHG auction take place the same day as the official release of the coin as I believe that particular strategy will help to amplify the excitement level and as such likely succeed in increasing overall sales volume.

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Well exactly, so where and how? USM broadcasts that it’ll be at Whitman Baltimore on the 14th, with 2024 product offerings, and it just happens to be the Grand Finale on the 14th.., Where’s the transparency? The dealers got the majority of the FHS Privies and COAs.., Where’s the transparency in a realm of when common Joe loyalists to the USM continues to get screwed..? So are we to expect that the same shenanigans will occur at Baltimore or at this auction, that if you’re not a dealers.., why bother to show up… Tomorrow is 04 November.., 10 days in… Read more »

Kaiser Wilhelm

Keep Calm & Stack On, While it would not seem at all unreasonable for the Mint to throw in some unique incentive(s) to stimulate interest in and excitement about the FHG auction, I quite honestly don’t feel that will be the case on this occasion. I’m guessing the mere fact of not having to go through the online ordering process might already serve as somewhat of an enticement for auction participation, not to mention that the third party graders could jump in with a special holder indicating the auction provenance of those particular FHGs. After all, as we have come… Read more »